Bridge pin angle

Don pianotuna@yahoo.com
Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:00:13


Hi David

The pictures were taken from the treble side and from the bass side--so the
pin at the rear in #2 is the faulty notch which is on the sounding length
of the string--and it is *very* clear that the horizontal termination
(notch) is different than the vertical termination (pin).

At 01:04 PM 4/30/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Don -
>I don't think the resolution of the pictures is fine enough to be able to 
>make a judgement, at least as they appear to me.  Also, it's not clear 
>which direction is front and which rear, however I'm guessing that the top 
>picture is showing the sounding length.  #1 has a definite disparity 
>between pin contact and bridge edge.  #2 is much better.  It's hard to 
>decipher side bearing or pin angle, so I guess, unlike Ron, I do see some 
>possible causes of tonal problems.
>
>
>Regards,
>David Skolnik
>
>
>
>At 11:44 PM 4/29/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>>Hi Ron,
>>
>>Here are a couple of photos of the offending pin taken from 180 degrees
>>apart. Not sure they are small enough to come directly through.
>>
>>At 03:46 PM 4/29/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >>Or just cutting the notch a bit  farther back. There's no performance
>> > >
>> > > reason I
>> > >
>> > >>can see that the notch edge has to exactly bisect the pin.
>> > >
>> >
>> >> Is this just another old wives tale then? I was under the impression
that
>> >> this would lead to a different vertical and horizontal
termination--which
>> >> would cause the string to ring at 2 discreet frequencies at the same
time.
>> >> I know of at least one 9 foot where this *is* the case in a low bass 
>> string
>> >> that is poorly notched. Perhaps what I am hearing is nothing to do 
>> with the
>> >> notch?
>> >
>> >That's what I was told too, from when I started back when, to the
>> >present day. The problem is, that just doesn't hold up to even
>> >casual inspection. Go look at new pianos in the exhibition hall at
>> >the convention this year. You'll see some that have notches cut back
>> >so far the bridge pin in entirely in the notch cut - but the strings
>> >aren't wild. That doesn't fit the explanation. Why? The notch looks
>> >exactly right, but the false beat is still there. That doesn't fit
>> >the explanation. Why? Now you find wild strings in the field, and
>> >stop the false beat temporarily by back bracing the pin with a
>> >screwdriver. The relationship between the notch and the pin didn't
>> >change, but the beat stopped. That doesn't fit the explanation. Why?
>> >Now you try to move a string up a bridge pin and discover how
>> >difficult it is to do that. To get the false beat by the old
>> >explanation, the string would have to slither up and down the string
>> >easily. It doesn't. That doesn't fit the explanation. Why? Seating a
>> >string sometimes clears up a false beat temporarily. Seating the
>> >string didn't change the relationship between the notch and the pin,
>> >so why did the beat stop? That doesn't fit the old explanation. Why?
>> >Now go back and read the 43,000 words written on the "why" in the
>> >last week or so (with plenty more of the same for some years back),
>> >and take another look at that early explanation of false beats. Then
>> >ask yourself ... why?
>> >
>> >I doubt if what you're hearing in that string has much of anything
>> >to do with the notch. Without seeing and hearing it, I'd be more
>> >inclined to suspect a longitudinal first. What have you tried in the
>> >way of diagnostics?
>> >
>> >Ron N
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>>
>>
>>Regards,
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