---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 5-feb-05, at 22:26, Richard Brekne wrote: > Andre wrote: > > OK bud, > but then, after having tuned aurally for the greater part of my life, > and, having been mauled and aurally sharpened by the Yamaha Acadamy, > just like you, I have come to the humiliating but also enlightening > conclusion that my ETD gives me that very same result not in two hours > > time, like at the Academy, but in 45 minutes (or less) every time, > every day, and especially on every instrument.You know me personally, > you surely would not suggest that I don't know what I am talking = about? > (Although, I have already learned that in this life, anything is > possible). > > I will keep thinking, and saying, that nowadays we finally have > extremely efficient ETD's.To me, an efficient ETD tells me personally > about pitch, nothing else. > > It helps me tuning the strings at the most compromised pitch. > The making of tone, is a different matter and far more important, > because most people can not tell the difference whether a 5th is = almost > perfect, or not. > > Over and out. > friendly greetings > > > > Andre ! > > Would I suggest you dont know what you're talking about ???? grin..=20= > surely you jest. If there is anyone who deserves the > title of Piano Guru in my book, surely you are amoung the most valued=20= > of these. > > Still, my own concerns hold, and do not really come in conflict with=20= > your enthusiasms for Verituner. I just find it suspect at best to=20 > assume that > tuning interests are served by developing the idea that we only need=20= > the machine. That we need not=A0 develop a musical ear for ourselves,=20= > that we need not develop an theoretical=A0 understanding of tuning in=20= > general, that we need not put the machines solution (regardless of how=20= > good that is or isnt) into the perspective of the subjective yet=20 > learned EAR. My friend, As you know, and as I told here before time and again, I tuned and=20 tuned and tuned aurally, till my pinkies fell off my head. Trying to make so called perfect equal temperament 7 times or more a=20 day is a stupefying business. I did just that for the better part of my=20= professional life. Actually, it was due to my encounter with Richard Davenport, that I=20 began to change my tiny mind. > > Not having tried the Verituner myself, I of course can not speak to=20= > its pros and cons beyond the fact that I am on record for being in=20 > support of the general multipartial approach. The single partial=20 > approach does not really do it for me. I find too many examples like=20= > the one that started this thread that result from out and out reliance=20= > on single partial tuning curves.=A0 But my point is not about whether=20= > their exists a <<good enough>> tuning machine or not. It goes to what=20= > happens when we become so reliant on them that we no longer can=20 > <<hear>> much less <<understand>> what a good tuning is anymore.=A0=A0 = I'm=20 > all for using ETD's... but only as a supplement. Keeping the=20 > collective << tuners ear >> trained, schooled, and ready can only be a=20= > good idea as far as I can see. And the beauty of it all, meaning : having tuned aurally AND having=20 tuned Machinically, is thatt when the battery is empty, I happily=20 continue tuning with da pinkies. And tuning with a good machine does not make us numb or dumb, it makes=20= us sharp and keen. I do not and shall never rely on an ETD only. I have proved this to myself and to others. I done an aural tuning test over and over till I dropped. Capisce encora? ((; <>;)) > > Cheers > RicB > > > > > friendly greetings from ANDR=C9 OOREBEEK Where 'music' is no harm can be www.concertpianoservice.nl ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4596 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/04/ce/6b/2c/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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