---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 5-feb-05, at 23:02, David Love wrote: > There is a fair amount of discussion on the VT forum about tweaking=20 > styles in order to achieve the right tuning for particular pianos.=A0=20= > The default style settings have built into them a certain amount of=20 > stretch in each octave of the piano based on subjective research about=20= > what sounds best. =A0None of the settings show a pure octave on any=20 > particular octave of the piano but are expanded or contracted using a=20= > particular octave type as a basis.=A0 Are you generally tuning on the=20= > =93average=94, > =93expanded=94 or =93clean=94 setting, or a custom style of your own = or=20 > perhaps one of Ron Koval=92s (or mine) who contributed much to the=20 > discussion? =A0A one style fits all (stretch) was something I was=20 > working on quite a bit and was not able to find one that worked for=20 > everything.=A0 Even when I did find a good style fit, sometimes there=20= > would be a note or two or three that needed to be modified to keep a=20= > smooth sequence of thirds or octaves throughout the piano.=A0 I found=20= > that the =93average style=94 tended to stretch the bass more than I=20 > liked.=A0 I found (after experimenting with the stretch possibilities in that=20 machine) that the 'average' tuning suits me best. "Average" tuning meaning already stretched, just like a 'regular'=20 tuning made by human ears. Of course a discussion about styles is out of the question, just not=20 possible. > I think the VT has a lot of nice options that allow you to custom set=20= > everything to your liking.=A0 But I was never able to trust it (or any=20= > other machine for that matter) enough to tune without listening and=20 > checking at least somewhat.=A0 In fact, the only complaints I have=20 > really gotten about tunings, ironically, were when I did an A0 =96 C88=20= > tuning without any interval checking.=A0 Let me 'try' to put it this way : The best tuning I ever made in two hours time, was my final exam tuning=20= at the Yamaha Academy. It took me a full month of intense training to=20 reach that level. There was btw no choice, one was obliged to get the=20 highest mark, or no certificate. After I got home, it took me some time to 'come down' and realize that=20= I had undergone an incredible learning experience, but at the same I=20 realized that I would probably never tune like that again for very=20 simple and economical reasons : Nobody is going to pay me for that very=20= same effort. The machine I use, may have its flaws, or not.... by using it, I=20 learned one thing very quickly : This thing gave me instantly the tuning I had trained for so hard. In Holland we have a saying : "I chose eggs for my money", and decided=20= to stop fooling around and try to be a hero, which I am not. I am now 56. My ears are still ok, but pretty soon they will go down,=20 just like my eyesight. Furthermore, there are pianos one can simply not=20= tune because they are so rotten they make you ill by the time you're=20 finished. My ETD takes care of all of that and do my work humming happily,=20 because I can concentrate on doing much more important work : making=20 very nice unisons. In my opinion, nobody gives a damn whether a'''' is slightly high or=20 that B contra is an eyebrow hair too low. If the overall tuning is on a level of say 95 %, it is a concert tuning=20= of the highest level and I really have not met any tuner yet who can be=20= that accurate, and- again -in 45 minutes!!! > I agree that unisons must be tuned by ear.=A0 I am a firm believer in=20= > the use of machines as a second pair of ears.=A0 But I would have to=20= > emphasize as a second pair, one=92s own being the first.=A0 A = combination=20 > aural/electronic tuning doesn=92t take me any longer than 45 min =96 1=20= > hour and I do find them especially useful for setting a perfect and=20 > effortless temperament. It was and is never my intention to force any ETD down anyone's throat.=20= What do I care? All I would like to make clear, is that there are machines these days=20 which are VERY hard nuts to crack. If one insists that an aural tuning is better, so be it, I prefer to=20 say that some aural tuners, probably like David Andersen, are really=20 fantastic tuners, but that it takes a whole lot of energy and stress to=20= produce 5 of those tunings a day. Working with a near perfect ETD is far less stressful and costs far=20 less energy. Again, the unisons are, in my opinion, more important, and so is the=20 voicing. See, I choose for an economical use of my time with a maximum result. friendly greetings from ANDR=C9 OOREBEEK Where 'music' is no harm can be www.concertpianoservice.nl ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5840 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/cb/cb/62/04/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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