working with etd's and the customers' la-di-da

[David Love]

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There is a fair amount of discussion on the VT forum about tweaking
styles in order to achieve the right tuning for particular pianos.  The
default style settings have built into them a certain amount of stretch
in each octave of the piano based on subjective research about what
sounds best.  None of the settings show a pure octave on any particular
octave of the piano but are expanded or contracted using a particular
octave type as a basis.  Are you generally tuning on the =93average=94,
=93expanded=94 or =93clean=94 setting, or a custom style of your own or =
perhaps
one of Ron Koval=92s (or mine) who contributed much to the discussion?  =
A
one style fits all (stretch) was something I was working on quite a bit
and was not able to find one that worked for everything.  Even when I
did find a good style fit, sometimes there would be a note or two or
three that needed to be modified to keep a smooth sequence of thirds or
octaves throughout the piano.  I found that the =93average style=94 =
tended
to stretch the bass more than I liked.  I think the VT has a lot of nice
options that allow you to custom set everything to your liking.  But I
was never able to trust it (or any other machine for that matter) enough
to tune without listening and checking at least somewhat.  In fact, the
only complaints I have really gotten about tunings, ironically, were
when I did an A0 =96 C88 tuning without any interval checking.  I agree
that unisons must be tuned by ear.  I am a firm believer in the use of
machines as a second pair of ears.  But I would have to emphasize as a
second pair, one=92s own being the first.  A combination =
aural/electronic
tuning doesn=92t take me any longer than 45 min =96 1 hour and I do find
them especially useful for setting a perfect and effortless temperament.

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David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20
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On 5-feb-05, at 22:23, David Love wrote:
I found that in spite of the Verituner hearing all partials, the
decisions it made on some notes (not to mention style selections)
periodically needed correction. Even if the machine hears everything,
it still must make a decision on where to put the note. To a certain
degree, that decision is not made by the machine but by the programmer.
The style settings in the VT indicate which coincident partials will be
favored and to what degree in deciding how wide to make the octaves.
While these styles can be tweaked for different pianos the question will
always arise as to whether the style you have chosen is a perfect fit
for the piano. While hearing all partials might increase accuracy due
to the greater amount of information available, it is not foolproof.
The ear must ultimately be the final arbiter.=20

David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20



I do not agree. The VT is so incredibly accurate that it will be
extremely difficult to fine a human who can make the very same very
precise tuning, and... in 45 minutes.

Muchas Gracias

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