This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hello Keith and List, yes! let's jump on this subject of UPRIGHT = PIANOS!!!! There is much to be learned here. Be honest now, all of you - = what percentage of your home clients (as opposed to schools and Opera = houses) have grand pianos? The wish is there, but the grand is not. No, = it is the humble upright which fits the bill for most aspiring pianists = at home. So let's keep this thread on the go. Or is it really that the = majority of private homes in all places but the UK are so very much = larger and have the room for a grand? In the UK the upright is the true = bread-winner for the PTs. I have about five schools to tune for and in = one of these there are some 25 pianos. Of these only four are grands - 2 = S&S "A", 1 Yamaha CF and a non-descrip baby grand. All the rest are = uprights. Yamaha U3, Bluthner, Welmar, Knight, Steck, Rogers, Challen, = Chappell, Broadwood ... . the list seems endless. Each piano make has = its idiosyncrasies and they are all pianos you have probably never heard = of out there in the West. They all have one thing in common though - = they can be played, practised upon and even cherished. And they = certainly need tuning. And tuning means MONEY. So we mustn't knock the = "humble" upright. We must take it seriously and give it, its maintenance = and foibles, air-time on the List. Question. Given that in a Steinway upright Model "V" it is stipulated = that the damper springs are weighted at the factory bass 35gr. treble 37 = gr. WHERE is the weight applied to conform to this requirement? Is it on = the body of the damper (just behind the groove the spring sits in) or on = the damper head? Obviously the further you get away from the fulcrum the = greater is the effect of a given weight. But an accurate answer is the = only answer here. Over to you guys. Regards from a Downland Village in Sussex Michael G.(UK) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keith Roberts=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: upright balance weight Terry, No I didn't. Mine was the joke comment. The list either knows = nothing about uprights or the disdain is stifling. I appreciate that you = expressed an interest. Michael's comment on the S&S DW gives a better target for me. I'm = surprised at the amount of friction.=20 I don't think we should use Grand weighting as the criteria for what = makes an upright the most enjoyable to play. The grand DW is affected by = the friction at the knuckle which is determined by the hammer weight and = the friction of the shank centerpin. The more the friction and weight in = the bass compounds the friction at the knuckle and forces a graduated = touchweight. This doesn't necessarily mean it's better. The upright = hammer doesn't have the force of gravity to overcome in the same way as = a grand and so makes an evenly weighted keyboard possible. A heavy DW = means the fingers get tired quick. The left hand in particular. A light = flinging action would be more conducive to bass trills, tremolos, and = rifts such as Clementi, maybe even that Steinway artist with the filed = down hammers, Horowitz? The heavy hammers on grands now make it so you = have to work out at the gym to play Christmas carols. OK, I've tried to = stir up some, uh, controversy. Hopefully the semantic police won't bury = me. Basically with this action, I want to lighten up the touch weight with = the geometry first. That's why I want a target weight so I can maximize = the capstan move if it looks as if the goal weight will still have to = be adjusted with lead. 40 to 41 gram BW is what I'm liking right now.=20 kpiano I think you misinterpreted my comment. I do not question doing = high-level work on an upright, but rather I'm an very interested and I = think a quality upright is very much worth putting the effort into it. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/4f/a3/53/7e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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