This is a multipart message in MIME format ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I've tried it also and I'm not that happy with it. I'm going to= stick to needles. For me, steaming gave me unlevel strike= surface which then had to deal with, If I had done any= needling prior to steaming...god what a bumpy mess...I've still= got it in the bag of tricks but only for rock hammers. David Ilvedson Original message From: Michael Gamble To: Jerry Cohen Received: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:07:52 -0000 Subject: Re: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question Hello Jerry, Alan and List Let us not forget Roger Jolly's wonderful steam approach. He sent= me a copy of his treatise on the subject and I've tried it. It= works. Needle-less voicing... worth a thought? Non? Michael G.(UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Cohen To: 'Pianotech' Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:08 AM To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question P.S. Part of my pursuit of this at this time is a desire to= rescue an area Methodist church from the shrill, busy,= ultra-bright, piercing, stident, trident (gummed up) sound of= the little Samick SG-172 grand they bought. I'm pretty sure it's= going to start with some serious string seating, bridge pin= stabilization, and regulation--followed by a session in the back= room with those hammers ... under a bright light ... with a= rubber hose and brass knuckles, to soften them up. I don't THINK= I could make it worse, even with what I know, now. And, no,= there are no other guild techs within two hours of here and no= local yokels I'd want to invite to help. I am alllllll= aloooooooone here in the elephant ivory graveyard. Alan, I think the Samick is an excellent piano to start learning with.= I did some voicing on one a few weeks ago. It was also shrill= and painful to tune. The hammers are actually decent quality,= and with needling, you can create nice elasticity in the= shoulders, and create whatever you want as you approach the= top. Since you are just starting, my advice is to make some= improvement in some section. If you try to do everything, you= will get frustrated and lose perspective. For example, even= though the whole piano sounds shrill, try to find one octave= that is a little worse (or a lot worse) than the rest. Work only= on that section, and try to make it blend perfectly with the= rest of the piano. By doing this you will be developing your= skills at not only tone building, but also creating an even= line. After you have finished that section, pat yourself on the= back, and leave the piano for maybe a week or two. Then you can= start working on other sections. If you work on the whole piano= at once, you can easily lose your reference. We met briefly during Don Mannino=92s voicing class in Sacramento.= While he spent more time on pre-voicing, he really did= demonstrate most of the principles of voicing. I suggest= starting with the shoulders, trying to feel the elasticity being= created. Work on one note at a time. Make a few stabs, front and= rear, and listen to the result. The difference should be heard= in the mF and F levels. Listen very carefully. When you hear a= difference, move to the next note, even if you haven=92t finished= the first one. Remember, the needling tool works a lot better= than the unneedling tool! Eventually you can start working up to= the crown, but stay away from the strike point for now. Use this= area to create a nice mp and p sound. The final result should be= nice tone which has variety from pp to F. At FF it should start= to crash. Then you have created the full dynamic range of the= piano. It was good to meet you last month, however briefly, and I hope= this helps. Jerry Cohen NJ Chapter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date:= 03/01/2005 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/1a/15/d7/92/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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