---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment It is my understanding that Werkmeister was intended for organs and that Bach used a different temperament for his stringed keyboard instruments. Kellner's temperament may be a good representation as he was a student. As an aside, I had our baby grand on Barne's Idealized Bach temperament for some time. It really sounded sweet. I eventually tuned it back to ET for practice purposes and we were surprised by how sour and dissonant ET can be by comparison. Mind-you, Debussy was rather less dreamy on Barnes ;-). Andrew At 02:48 PM 3/8/2005 -0800, you wrote: >For Bach specifically, the Werckmeister is widely used, although there are >a few other contenders. Go to my website ><http://rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm>http://rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm >to see a lot of graphs representing the range of thirds and fifths in each >of the temperaments. Bradley Lehman more recently offers one on his >website, <http://www.larips.com/>http://www.larips.com/ , using the >following offsets which he deduces from Bach's markings on the Anna >Magdalena manuscript: >Eb 3.9 >Bb 3.9 >F 7.8 >C 5.9 >G 3.9 >D 2.0 >A 0.0 >E -2.0 >B 0.0 >F# 2.0 >C# 3.9 >G# 3.9 > >Note, however, these offsets are all sharp except E, so this will put a >lot of additional tension on the piano. To equalize the tension, try: >Eb +1 >Bb +1 >F +4.9 >C +3 >G +1 >D -0.9 >A -2.9 >E -4.9 >B -2.9 >F# -0.9 >C# +1 >G# +1 >Also be aware that a temperament cannot really be reduced to cents, which >are approximations at best. The historic temperaments were usually set by >measures like "set this third as sharp as the ear can bear" - or in some >cases certain fifths were tuned perfect while others were tuned "as flat >as the ear can bear". > >| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | >| | | | | | >Jason Kanter . piano tuning regulation repair ><mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com>jkanter@rollingball.com . cell 425 830 1561 >serving the eastside and the san juans >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On >Behalf Of Michael Gamble >Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:08 PM >To: jonathan stuchell >Cc: pianotech@ptg.org >Subject: Re: historical temperaments > >Hello Jonathan >First - how much time have you got? There's a lot of information out there >about "temperaments". This type of tuning is used mainly on historic type >instruments: real square pianos (circa late 1700s) Harpsichords and >Fortepianos. The temperament we use at Glyndebourne is Vallotti. In fact I >have to tune a Kawai grand to this temperament to use with a Harpsichord >in rehearsal for Bill Christie. The variation from equal temperament is as >follows: > a:0 a#:+6.0 b:+2.0 c:+6.0 c#:0.0 d:+2.0 d#:+4.0 e:-2.0 f:+8.0 > f#:-2:0 g:+4.0 g#:+2.0 > >The "wildest" off pitch temperament is "Werkmeister-III" where: >a:0 a#:+17.5 b:-7.0 c:+10.5 c#:-13.5 d:+2.5 d#:+20.5 e:-3.5 >f:+13.5 f#:-10.0 g:+7.0 g#:-17.0 > >Lambert(1774) is closest to equal temp. > >I shall stop there and put on my flame suit for daring to suggest anything >so OT as "temperaments" > >Regards from darkest Sussex >Michael G.(UK) >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:jstuchell@verizon.net>jonathan stuchell >To: <mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>Michael Gamble >Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:48 PM >Subject: historical temperament > > Hello, > > I want to start using historical temperaments. How do I go about > this? I use a Peterson virtual strobe tuner which has settings for Young, >Werkmeister, Kirnberger, Pythagorean, Kellner etc. I would like to use >one from J.S. Bach's time. Information seems hard to find. Im very >interested, because I favor the Baroque period. Also, Baroque instruments >are becoming popular. Hope you can give me some advice! > > > > Thanks, > > >Jonathan Stuchell > > > > > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/f4/23/f6/61/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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