---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thank you Sarah, That actually makes me feel a little better. I would like to state here and now, that it was NEVER EVER my intention=20= to make any money on anyone on this list I perfectly understand that it could easily be read the other way, but=20= in this case it is purely my enthusiasm that has driven me the last=20 years to write about my experiences with the felt I have written so=20 much about. Does anybody here think for one single moment that big money is to be=20 made out of some silly front punchings? HAH.... Come on folks, I have had a great time finding out about the result=20 with my tiny felt thingees. Heck, it was fun and that's about it. The suggestion the other day of one of the list subscribers that I=20 "should tone down my posts in respect to promoting my product" was=20 actually a major hurtful insult. That was not just a respectful and=20 ethical remark, but just a filthy kick below my belt, and I will never=20= ever forget that. Fortunately, I have the ability to partially neutralize this=20 destructive influence, so I will try to continue to behave the way I=20 have before, and with an open mind, although it will never be the same=20= as before, for obvious reasons. If one wants to kill and erase honest enthusiasm, for whatever sick=20 reason... that's the way to do it. Andr=E9 Oorebeek On 9-mei-05, at 7:28, Sarah Fox wrote: > Er... I'm with Avery on this one! As long as the commercial message=20= > is > piano-related and isn't for deodorant, toilet paper, or V.i.a.g.r.a,=20= > then > it's useful here on the list. I don't think I've ever seen anyone=20 > chastized > on this list for promoting some product or method, even though I can=20= > think > of many who have done it. Why are y'all spatting about this now?! > > Personally I'm glad Andre has aggressively pushed Wurzen felt = products. > Otherwise I wouldn't have known about them and wouldn't have=20 > experienced > them for myself. I am equally thankful that David has aggressively=20 > pushed > his metrology, as I have learned a lot from it and have some basis = from > which to evaluate action geometry. I'm even thankful to those who = have > pushed some products of which I have been skeptical, because I=20 > recognized > that they were trying to improve the craft, even considering they had = a > profit motive. > > For most people on this list, all this discussion is about business --=20= > the > business of making pianos perform their best. There's profit in it=20 > for 99% > of the folks on this list who service pianos. Then there's a smaller=20= > cut of > folks on this list who sell products to the technicians who service = the > pianos. Aren't they allowed to have a profit motive too? We must all=20= > make > money somehow, yes???? > > Thank you, all of you, who have weighed in on this discussion. I=20 > wouldn't > have dreamed a front rail punching could affect tone, beyone=20 > differences of > the noise from the key bottoming. I am fascinated by Stephen's=20 > preliminary > findings/assertions, and they make sense to me. I love watching the=20= > theory > and early empirical data starting to sync with the phenomenology, and = I > eagerly await further findings from that lab! I'm learning a lot. > > Meanwhile, please consider a thought or two of my own: > > If there is indeed a wobble effect that differences in punchings have=20= > made > apparent (and that Andre's sensitive ear has discovered), then the > consistency of the punching could well be the lesser issue. Perhaps=20= > the > larger issue is one of how to eliminate wobble/play from the system. =20= > For > instance, should we be focusing on an action redesign, with some=20 > mechanism > that isolates wobble from the keystick and does not transfer it to the > wippen? Should we also be focusing on "bearings" that are more rigid? > Perhaps synthetic, molded parts that are more precise? > > Anyway, until these questions are resolved, I suspect I will greatly=20= > enjoy > my Wurzen punchings -- just as much as I'm enjoying my Wurzen hammers.=20= > :-) > > Peace, > Sarah > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ric Brekne" <ricbrek@broadpark.no> > To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:14 PM > Subject: CRESCENDO GRAND PUNCHINGS > > >> >> David >> >> I see no real difference between Andres verbal enthusiasms for his >> punchings and yours for your product. I see absolutly no grounds for=20= >> you >> to offer him a <<correction>> in this regard considering the many >> enthusastic advertisements of various sorts you have given for your >> product through various PTG endeavours including this list. In fact, >> given the latitude exhibitors like youself have been given in being >> allowed to be defined as instructors at conventions... (a latitude >> people like myself have supported vigorously) I find your comments >> towards Andre curious at best. >> >>> /Looking at felt through a microscope can only reveal the >> />/degree of fineness of wool fibers used in a felt, and nothing = more. >> / >> /Yes! And the degree of fineness is very important to know. In my >> experience, especially >> with hammers, finer fiber means a finer quality of felt and tone. I'm >> interested to know if >> Wurzen felt uses finer (smaller diameter) fiber than everyone else. >> There is always >> something to learn by looking more closely at things... especially=20 >> with >> a scanning electron >> microscope./ >> --------- >> >> I fail to see how your comment here is in any way at odds with the >> statement I made which proceeds it. >> >>> /Claims about the technical correctness of the use of cloth vs felt=20= >>> are >> />/simply ungrounded at this point one way or the other. As are=20 >> claims as >> />/to why. >> / >> /Richard... There is ample grounding for the correctness of using=20 >> cloth >> for front rail >> punchings./ >> ------- >> >> No... it is not. There is no comparison data out there to confirm = such >> speculative (and I might add, hasty) conclusions. Course I'd be=20 >> willing >> to see it if there was. I'd love to see where these are covered in=20= >> the >> anals of piano making history. More likely, cloth has been used=20 >> simply >> because it has been always deemed "adequate" to the job and cost > effective. >> ------------ >> /Its use has evolved through the total experience of the whole piano >> industry >> over all of time and we all use it because the test of time shows = that >> it is the best construction >> of felt for that application in the piano. So I would think twice if >> you're going to throw out all >> that history, experience, and collective knowledge./ >> ------------- >> >> To be sure, and by the same logic we can say that your whole=20 >> methodology >> is then useless because it questions that same history, experience,=20= >> and >> collective knowledge. Whats good for the proverbial Goose. >> >> ---------------- >> >> /To be honest Richard, I feel that it is inappropriate for you to=20 >> bring >> up personal issues and >> judgements such as you have in regards to me and my Dutch Colleague >> Frans Pietjouw. / >> -------------- >> >> I really and truly believe it entirely appropriate and called for, >> given the circumstance. And I still do. >> -------------- >> >> /This list is about sharing knowledge, not personal issues. >> >> /I agree, which is why I reacted. And having said and now underlined=20= >> my >> concern, I'll leave it to rest. >> >> //With Respect >> >> Richard Brekne >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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