Old Steinways

Michael Gamble michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk
Mon, 23 May 2005 21:32:29 +0100


Hello Stephane
(I wonder how you put the accent on your first "e"?) No, Stephane, I didn't
read that article. My first though is what constitutes an "older" Steinway?
though I guess it means before 1870 or so.Mine is a Model "A" of Jan.1914
and the other is a Model "D" of 1890. I doubt (from the close scrutiny I
have made of both) that I shall be lifting their frames since all is well on
their soundboards. I propose to keep to as much of the original as possible
therefore I'm not re-gilding the frames. A good clean up is what they need
and new strings. Mine also needs new hammer assemblies so I am in touch with
Andre (Wurzen) Oorebeek on that score:-) Did you know he also has touch felt
and centre rail punchings also in Wurzen? I have a whole set from him but
haven't yet had the time to install them. Thanks for the references in the
PTJ's.
Regards from the Night Sky in Sussex
Michael
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stéphane Collin" <collin.s@skynet.be>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Old Steinways


> Hello Michael.
>
> Did you read the interesting article of Bob Hohf about Bechstein pinblocks
> ? It contains interesting comparison between the easy to repair block
> (modern Steinway) and the one glued to the stretcher and housed in the
> outer rim (Bechstein and older Steinway).  Look at the atricles of PTJ
> december 1996, february 1997 and march 1997.
>
> Best regards from the other side of the channel.
>
> Stéphane Collin.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <A440A@aol.com>; <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Old Steinways
>
>
>> Hello Ed and List
>> I am contemplating re-stringing an S&S "D" Nr.63388. It was built in the
>> Hamburg factory on January 18th. 1890 and shipped to the UK. There it was
>> bought by the grandfather of my client as a 21st birthday present. "What
>> would you like for your 21st birthday, my daughter? Choose anything!
>> Money is no object!" reply "I want a Steinway Concert Grand Grandpapa" So
>> that's why I have to contemplate re-stringing it. Believe it or not the
>> hammers and rollers are in quite good shape! However, Ed., I was
>> wondering where, in the annals of that S&S learning curve you mention,
>> did my 1890 "D" fit?
>> Shall I have troubles with the block and stretcher assembly? Question
>> (considering the difference in piano nomenclature between the US and the
>> UK) what part of the S&S is the "block and stretcher assembly"?(I'm glad
>> I asked tht question:-)
>> Regards from a beautifully sunny but windy day in the Sussex Downs
>> Village
>> Michael G.(UK)
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <A440A@aol.com>
>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Old Steinways
>>
>>
>>> Phil writes:
>>>
>>> << All this talk about old Steinways (pre-1875) are coming in very handy
>>>
>>> right now since I have a 7' 1865 in my shop as I type.
>>>
>>> What I find so fascinating about these instruments, or any instrument
>>>
>>> made before the Industrial Revolution is the fact that they were made
>>>
>>> before the Industrial Revolution. I'm sure we could all learn quite a
>>>
>>> bit by going back in time for a time for a look-see into how they did
>>> it. >>
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>   Ah yes, we can learn a lot. Specifically, how not to make a piano.
>>> That
>>> is what the Steinways did between 1853 and around 1880.  There are a lot
>>> of
>>> things in these pianos that the makers realized needed to be changed.
>>>   One of the most important things I have learned about these pianos is
>>> how
>>> weak the block and stretcher assembly is.  I had the factory rebuild a
>>> type 3
>>> piano from about 1870.  Even after they had done all the work to spec. ,
>>> the
>>> stretcher still bowed up terribly when the piano was under tension.  It
>>> isn't
>>> very stable, tuning wise, either!
>>>    Dale Irwin writes of maybe addressing this with a Falconwood
>>> stretcher,
>>> but I would suggest finding some way of getting some steel in there.
>>> Maybe a
>>> heavy piece of angle iron that could be let into the stretch/block
>>> before it is
>>> installed?  Somehow, more resistance needs to be found to the rotational
>>> force
>>> upon the pinblock when all the strings are pulling.
>>>     I don't think it always true that the older the better.  I believe
>>> that
>>> the first pianos coming out of Steinway were designs in progress, and
>>> the
>>> really great pianos happened after they had finished their learning
>>> curve.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Foote RPT
>>> http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
>>> www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
>>>
>>>
>>
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