Grotrian Cymbalese

[David Ilvedson]

Don't you think as a Grotrian gets some age and the hammers get a little harder, that sound gets a little annoying...braid that baby...or at least try it.
I looked at those posts you listed...been awhile since Jim Coleman Sr. has posted...;-[

David I.



----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Ric Brekne" <ricbrek@broadpark.no>
To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: 9/26/2005 1:15:32 PM
Subject: Grotrian Cymbalese


>David I ;

>Gotta say I am impressed by your post. I myself agree very much with 
>your run through of things. Nuf on that.

>Obviously this rivets bit has a few people scratching their heads.  But 
>I still have to stand by that as its exactly what it sounds like to me.  
>But let me clarify.  We are not talking about how such a cymbal sounds 
>when banged hard.  Thats hardly what I'd call sizzeling.  Nope... its 
>how the sound of a riveted cymbal sounds as its dying out... that long 
>simmering echoish sizzzzz...  Thats what it sounds like to me.  Exactly 
>what happens if you take your finger nail and lightly tap a riveted 
>cymbal. 
>And I agree with you... I dont really want that kind of sound either. So 
>I would have no problem with braiding off like a Steinway. That said, 
>"Mr Grotrian"  evidently likes his sound as thats the way they build 
>them.  They seem to want as much contribution as is possible to design 
>into all non speaking lengths.  Definantly looking for a different sound 
>then other makes.

>For anyone interested, there was a whole series of posts back and forth 
>a few years back under the thread Grotrian Cymbalese.

>https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054265.html
>https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054308.html
>https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/1999-November/054355.html

>Many good posts were written by lots of folks.

>Cheers
>RicB

>Clearly no Grotrian Steinweg is going to have a sound like a cymbal with rivets.   

>Ric said sort of like...meaning to me a little bit, kind of like...

>If we think about what the Baldwin SD10 sounded like at the high end without any 
>string felt in the tuning pin area...that is probably what Ric is describing.   When Baldwin 
>started doing that, I'm not sure...But that is not the sound I want on that piano and I will 
>always get some understring felt in there and/or stringing braid.   I wouldn't hesitate to 
>mute off the bass, tenor section backscale of a Grotrian either.   That isn't the kind of 
>sound I want.   How many pianos have that unmuted backscale?   If this is Grotrian's 
>usual method they must have been looking for a different sound.   

>David I.

>PS   Hopefully Conrad, you haven't been storing the flamesuits in New Orleans?  


>_______________________________________________
>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives