An apology--Ed Sutton

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Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:41:45 EST


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Susan,
 
Excellent post!  
 
In the grand scheme of all things tuning, what really matters:  what  looks 
good on paper, what appears correct on the screen of an ETD, or what  sounds 
good to your--and your clients'--ears?  
 
Dave Stahl
 
In a message dated 1/10/2006 8:21:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
hgreeley@stanford.edu writes:

Susan,

Very well said!

Thank you very  much.

Horace

At 08:07 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>Dear  Ed,
>
>Most graciously written, though my ego was not pricked by  what you 
>were saying --
>well, not much ...
>
>I  find it encouraging that several of the people writing most 
>earnestly  about this supposedly crucial inaccuracy had the direction 
>of it wrong  ... good for Bob Davis!
>
>Tuning a couple of not-so-hot pianos  since we had this discussion, I 
>tried the A4 after I finished my usual  procedure -- it seemed 
>beatless with the fork. So, wondering how I  ended up awfully close 
>to where I should be by the "wrong" method, I  started thinking about it.
>
>I don't set the A4 from F3 and the  A-440 fork. I set A3, using the 
>fork and F3. Once A3 is beatless to  the A440 fork, and F3 is a 
>reasonable beat rate from A3, I tune F4 to  a pleasing octave (well, 
>pleasing to me ...), and then fiddle with C#4  till the contiguous 
>major thirds proceed pleasantly, changing the F's  if needed. Then I 
>lay the rest of the temperament -- if all goes as I  expect it to (I 
>have been doing it this way for 28 years, after all  ...) the G# at 
>the end of the sequence will be happy with the C# from  the beginning 
>of it, and I move on to octaves, after running fifths  and fourths to 
>see that they are equally happy or unhappy, depending  on the 
>instrument. I march upward, treating A4 just like all the other  
>notes ----------- and there may lie the saving grace. I make all the  
>octaves just slightly wide of what your machines might consider dead  
>straight perfect. And this stretch may be just the amount needed to  
>get the A4 fundamental beatless against the fork.
>
>I do  them this way because I like the sound better. It's less 
>stretch than  would yield a noticeable beat, short of holding, 
>waiting ... waiting  .... waiting ....................... etc.
>
>So, if when I check  the A4 against the fork it is okay ------what is 
>all this worry about?  I mean, the world really doesn't need any more 
>slipshod piano tuners  than it already has, but is it slipshod if my 
>ear, listening to the  note and the fork together over several 
>seconds, can't tell the  difference? What earthly harm is that small 
>a discrepancy (if even  worth mentioning) going to do to anyone?
>
>There are so many  undesirable aspects of pianos which are plainly 
>audible to an unaided  ear, and which often just go by the wayside -- 
>why not pay more  attention to them, and not worry about the 
>"Nano-Issues"? I don't  really see the point of spending so much time 
>dissecting  gnats.
>
>On the other hand, I (sometimes) am happy that people  with minds put 
>together somewhat differently than mine enjoy taking  unreasonably 
>exact technical devices, and working out _exactly_ where  the gnats 
>like to hang out. It's nice, on general principles, to know  these 
>locations, and have a grounding in general gnat-anatomy, though  I 
>will always depend on my ear instead -- so it ends up as kind of an  
>academic pursuit. Never mind, we all have our roles in life ... we  
>all make our various  contributions.
>
>Regards,
>Susan Kline (oh, yes, RPT, and I  tuned A4 on the test using F2 ...)
>
>At 10:32 AM 1/9/2006 -0500,  you wrote:
>>Dear List:
>>
>>I see that my most  offensive comment was that anyone who tunes A4 
>>to F3 does not know  how to tune a piano.
>>That was not a correct statement.  I see  that there are 
>>circumstances in which a person using this method  may produce a 
>>very good tuning for that  circumstance.
>>
>>Since this list is provided by the Guild,  I assume that all folks 
>>here intend to become RPTs, so that when  we talk about tuning we 
>>are referring to the Guild Exam as a  minimum standard.
>>
>>I had to work very hard to pass that  exam.  Becoming an RPT was the 
>>most significant confidence  building act of my life.  I hope for 
>>others to have similar  life building experiences, and so I express 
>>an understanding of  piano technology based on the values implicit 
>>in the RPT  exams.
>>
>>My intention was to help a new learner focus on  those facts and 
>>actions which would most advance and accelerate  his long term 
>>growth.  If anyone feels personally demeaned by  my statement, I 
>>think you have probably misunderstood my intent,  but I can 
>>understand that, and hope you will accept my  apology.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Ed  Sutton
>>
>>"If there is anyone here I have failed to insult  tonight, I hope 
>>you will accept my sincere  apology."
>>Johannes Brahms





Dave  Stahl

Dave Stahl Piano Service
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