Little correction, when i said "As Dale just said" earlier i meant Dean! > >> Dale wrote: I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far >> more interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful >> things with the voicing . > > For me, (and i'm sure many others will agree) Kawai's are not very > consistent in tone. Some are really nice, many are not. Yamaha's arent > that consistent either, but at least the sound doesnt "distort" when > played louder. As Dale just said, with most Kawais all you get is NOISE > after a second of sustain. Even though many kawais seem like they have a > very nice tone when you first play one, it doesnt last! > >> These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a >> needle >> stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? > > hmm... most yamahas ive seen havent either been neddled and they dont have > that problem > > We import many used Yamahas and Kawais, and the difference in quality is > clear, the materials and the way yamahas are made are much better by FAR. > Starting out with the casework for instance, while kawai lyres just fall > to bits even if only a few months old, i have never seen or heard of a > yamaha lyre loosen. The castors, the bolts and screws, etc, kawai ones > just scream the words "cheap n nasty", no matter how many times you do and > undo yamaha bolts/screws, they'll still keep the thread and the heads wont > become useless. On older uprights is not uncommon to see rusty colums > (legs) as they where made of metal. And on newer ones made of plastic, > they kind of bend! We have now stopped using kawais for concert hire > because of these things and of course tuning stability is far superior on > yamahas. > > Action-wise (kawai).... what's all that plastic doing there??? might be ok > when new, but when you need to replace stuff... pedal mechanisms often > make all sorts of noises... etc etc. The only thing i can think of right > now that i really like on kawai grands is the screw adjustment for the > springs on whippens, quick and delightful to regulate with those! BTW the > new black ABS plastic whippens are just weird!! > > Havent seen the Shigeru models yet, are they any better? Don't think they > can beat the Yamaha S series, can they? > > Patrick > > >> >> >> >> >> I don't get it. Most all of the Kawai grands I tune (which aren't that >> many) >> I don't really care much for. Since there aren't any new Kawais being >> sold >> in this area most of the ones I encounter are 10 plus years old of the >> KG >> variety, a couple of GS, one GS-70. I don't like the sustain. With the >> sustain pedal on when playing an arpeggio the sound quickly fades into >> white >> noise and one cannot discern what scale was just played. I've done some >> experimenting even, hitting individual notes across the scale with an f >> blow >> and I get about a second of tone before there is only noise. >> >> >> >> These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a >> needle >> stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? >> >> Dean >> >> Dean May cell 812.239.3359 >> >> PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 >> >> Terre Haute IN 47802 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Erwinspiano at aol.com >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:18 AM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: near impossible tuning >> >> >> >> Dittos Roger >> >> Ed Normally I find Kawai a very stable piano. I tuned a Kg-2 the >> other >> day & I had not tuned it for 3 years. Except for being 6 cents flat, >> enough for a pitch raise, it was in solidly in tune with itself & I >> wondered >> why I was there. It is also an easy piano to tune. >> >> I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far more >> interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful >> things >> with the voicing . However on some of the grands & verticals a like >> have >> pins do not render well. >> >> Ed I don't get it & would like to know this is only an isolated >> incident >> as I currently have a client looking to buy one of the same models >> >> Dale >> >> After lifting, leveling, and fitting, the power, sustain, and voicing >> will >> improve. >> >> String lifting is a skill just like tuning, I would hardly call it >> indiscriminate. >> >> Regards Roger >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> > > > Patrick Hinves Ballesta > Afinador/Técnico 610442371 > PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. > > _______________________________________________ > Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > Patrick Hinves Ballesta Afinador/Técnico 610442371 PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L.
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