Kawai vs. Yamaha

[Avery]

William,

I totally agree. The only thing I don't like about the new ABS actions is that
it's SO dark in there! :-)

What is the Yamaha S series? Better than the C? And the Shigeru's are great!

Avery

At 01:07 PM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
>Patrick,
>
>Respectfully disagree.  I find the newer Kawais, particularly the RX's to be
>very nice if properly voiced and regulated from the factory.  The Shigeru's,
>of which I have seen a few - very nice.  Some of the best, IMO.  Yes, with
>or above the Yamaha S series.
>
>As for the new action parts, "black ABS" being just plain weird, someone
>probably said that about the double-escapement grand action that Erard came
>up with.  The action parts BTW are Carbon-impregnated ABS.  I think they are
>the cat's meow.  Just my opinion.  ABS in general, is found to be stronger,
>more dimensionally stable, among other things.
>
>Regards,
>William R. Monroe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L." <patrick at pianospianissimo.com>
>To: <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:16 PM
>Subject: Kawai vs. Yamaha. was: near impossible tuning
>
>
>
> > Dale wrote:   I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far
> > more interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful
> > things with the voicing .
>
>For me, (and i'm sure many others will agree) Kawai's are not very
>consistent in tone. Some are really nice, many are not. Yamaha's arent
>that consistent either, but at least the sound doesnt "distort" when
>played louder. As Dale just said, with most Kawais all you get is NOISE
>after a second of sustain. Even though many kawais seem like they have a
>very nice tone when you first play one, it doesnt last!
>
> > These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a
> > needle
> > stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem?
>
>hmm... most yamahas ive seen havent either been neddled and they dont have
>that problem
>
>We import many used Yamahas and Kawais, and the difference in quality is
>clear, the materials and the way yamahas are made are much better by FAR.
>Starting out with the casework for instance, while kawai lyres just fall
>to bits even if only a few months old, i have never seen or heard of a
>yamaha lyre loosen. The castors, the bolts and screws, etc, kawai ones
>just scream the words "cheap n nasty", no matter how many times you do and
>undo yamaha bolts/screws, they'll still keep the thread and the heads wont
>become useless. On older uprights is not uncommon to see rusty colums
>(legs) as they where made of metal. And on newer ones made of plastic,
>they kind of bend! We have now stopped using kawais for concert hire
>because of these things and of course tuning stability is far superior on
>yamahas.
>
>Action-wise (kawai).... what's all that plastic doing there??? might be ok
>when new, but when you need to replace stuff... pedal mechanisms often
>make all sorts of noises... etc etc. The only thing i can think of right
>now that i really like on kawai grands is the screw adjustment for the
>springs on whippens, quick and delightful to regulate with those! BTW the
>new black ABS plastic whippens are just weird!!
>
>Havent seen the Shigeru models yet, are they any better? Don't think they
>can beat the Yamaha S series, can they?
>
>Patrick
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't get it. Most all of the Kawai grands I tune (which aren't that
> > many)
> > I don't really care much for. Since there aren't any new Kawais being sold
> > in this area most of the ones I encounter are 10 plus years old of the KG
> > variety, a couple of GS, one GS-70. I don't like the sustain. With the
> > sustain pedal on when playing an arpeggio the sound quickly fades into
> > white
> > noise and one cannot discern what scale was just played. I've done some
> > experimenting even, hitting individual notes across the scale with an f
> > blow
> > and I get about a second of tone before there is only noise.
> >
> >
> >
> > These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a
> > needle
> > stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem?
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Erwinspiano at aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:18 AM
> > To: pianotech at ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: near impossible tuning
> >
> >
> >
> >   Dittos Roger
> >
> >   Ed Normally I find Kawai a very stable piano.   I tuned a Kg-2 the other
> > day &  I had not tuned it for 3 years.  Except for being 6 cents flat,
> > enough for a pitch raise, it was in solidly in tune with itself & I
> > wondered
> > why I was there. It is also an easy piano to tune.
> >
> >    I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far more
> > interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful things
> > with the voicing .  However on some of the grands & verticals a like have
> > pins do not render well.
> >
> >   Ed I don't get it & would like to know this is only an isolated incident
> > as I currently have a client looking to buy one of the same models
> >
> >  Dale
> >
> > After lifting, leveling, and fitting, the power, sustain, and  voicing
> > will
> > improve.
> >
> > String lifting is a skill just like tuning, I would hardly call it
> > indiscriminate.
> >
> > Regards Roger
> >
> >
> >
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>PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L.
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