> My biggest peeve is the constant changing of models as if pianos were > stereo equipment. I agree! That IMO is actually a mistake kawai have been doing. Its hard enough for anyone in the trade to keep track of all the models, imagine for the general public, it certainly takes trust out of the brand, as many will think their piano model will be "out of date/fashion" in a very short period of time. Therefore tending to buy a different brand of piano which model they are more familiar with (many will think it will hold its value better as it is better known). I hear many people saying "i want a u-1" as they know this model has been made since a long time ago and they are still being made, they feel this is because its a great piano (which it is!). However, many coming to buy a kawai, lets say... BL-31 like the one their friend or teacher has, will actually not be very impressed when they find out it doesnt exist any more... Its the same with cars! Take the Honda Civic for instance, or Mercedes "S" class, these models are known worldwide as they havent changed their names since the first of each was launched years n years ago. Same with apple's mac's....the essense of the model is still there nowadays! so people are familiar with these products, they feel "safe" with them.... Anyway, i'm starting to get bored of myself "talking"... n i need to start early tomorrow. Goodnight everyone, Patrick > The only thing I'd sort of agree with Patrick on is the "Black Jack" ABS > action...you know Kawai could > have picked any color but marketing probably jumped on the Black Jack > idea...;-] > > My biggest peeve is the constant changing of models as if pianos were > stereo equipment. > > David Ilvedson, RPT > Pacifica, California > > > > ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- > From: "William R. Monroe" <pianotech at a440piano.net> > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Received: 3/5/2006 11:07:09 AM > Subject: Re: Kawai vs. Yamaha > > >>Patrick, > >>Respectfully disagree. I find the newer Kawais, particularly the RX's to >> be >>very nice if properly voiced and regulated from the factory. The >> Shigeru's, >>of which I have seen a few - very nice. Some of the best, IMO. Yes, >> with >>or above the Yamaha S series. > >>As for the new action parts, "black ABS" being just plain weird, someone >>probably said that about the double-escapement grand action that Erard >> came >>up with. The action parts BTW are Carbon-impregnated ABS. I think they >> are >>the cat's meow. Just my opinion. ABS in general, is found to be >> stronger, >>more dimensionally stable, among other things. > >>Regards, >>William R. Monroe > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L." <patrick at pianospianissimo.com> >>To: <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >>Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:16 PM >>Subject: Kawai vs. Yamaha. was: near impossible tuning > > > >>> Dale wrote: I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is >>> far >>> more interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful >>> things with the voicing . > >>For me, (and i'm sure many others will agree) Kawai's are not very >>consistent in tone. Some are really nice, many are not. Yamaha's arent >>that consistent either, but at least the sound doesnt "distort" when >>played louder. As Dale just said, with most Kawais all you get is NOISE >>after a second of sustain. Even though many kawais seem like they have a >>very nice tone when you first play one, it doesnt last! > >>> These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a >>> needle >>> stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? > >>hmm... most yamahas ive seen havent either been neddled and they dont >> have >>that problem > >>We import many used Yamahas and Kawais, and the difference in quality is >>clear, the materials and the way yamahas are made are much better by FAR. >>Starting out with the casework for instance, while kawai lyres just fall >>to bits even if only a few months old, i have never seen or heard of a >>yamaha lyre loosen. The castors, the bolts and screws, etc, kawai ones >>just scream the words "cheap n nasty", no matter how many times you do >> and >>undo yamaha bolts/screws, they'll still keep the thread and the heads >> wont >>become useless. On older uprights is not uncommon to see rusty colums >>(legs) as they where made of metal. And on newer ones made of plastic, >>they kind of bend! We have now stopped using kawais for concert hire >>because of these things and of course tuning stability is far superior on >>yamahas. > >>Action-wise (kawai).... what's all that plastic doing there??? might be >> ok >>when new, but when you need to replace stuff... pedal mechanisms often >>make all sorts of noises... etc etc. The only thing i can think of right >>now that i really like on kawai grands is the screw adjustment for the >>springs on whippens, quick and delightful to regulate with those! BTW the >>new black ABS plastic whippens are just weird!! > >>Havent seen the Shigeru models yet, are they any better? Don't think they >>can beat the Yamaha S series, can they? > >>Patrick > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't get it. Most all of the Kawai grands I tune (which aren't that >>> many) >>> I don't really care much for. Since there aren't any new Kawais being >>> sold >>> in this area most of the ones I encounter are 10 plus years old of the >>> KG >>> variety, a couple of GS, one GS-70. I don't like the sustain. With the >>> sustain pedal on when playing an arpeggio the sound quickly fades into >>> white >>> noise and one cannot discern what scale was just played. I've done some >>> experimenting even, hitting individual notes across the scale with an f >>> blow >>> and I get about a second of tone before there is only noise. >>> >>> >>> >>> These are pianos with original hammers that have probably never had a >>> needle >>> stuck in them. Is this a hammer/voicing problem? >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> Dean May cell 812.239.3359 >>> >>> PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 >>> >>> Terre Haute IN 47802 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Erwinspiano at aol.com >>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:18 AM >>> To: pianotech at ptg.org >>> Subject: Re: near impossible tuning >>> >>> >>> >>> Dittos Roger >>> >>> Ed Normally I find Kawai a very stable piano. I tuned a Kg-2 the >>> other >>> day & I had not tuned it for 3 years. Except for being 6 cents flat, >>> enough for a pitch raise, it was in solidly in tune with itself & I >>> wondered >>> why I was there. It is also an easy piano to tune. >>> >>> I really like the Kawai grands in general. The tone is far more >>> interesting than it other Japanese competitor & I can do wonderful >>> things >>> with the voicing . However on some of the grands & verticals a like >>> have >>> pins do not render well. >>> >>> Ed I don't get it & would like to know this is only an isolated >>> incident >>> as I currently have a client looking to buy one of the same models >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> After lifting, leveling, and fitting, the power, sustain, and voicing >>> will >>> improve. >>> >>> String lifting is a skill just like tuning, I would hardly call it >>> indiscriminate. >>> >>> Regards Roger >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >>> > > >>Patrick Hinves Ballesta >>Afinador/Técnico 610442371 >>PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. > >>_______________________________________________ >>Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ > Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > Patrick Hinves Ballesta Afinador/Técnico 610442371 PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L.
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