Reblitz: Glue pots vs glue sticks

[MICHAEL MORVAN]

List,
    Some helpful information on glues:
White glue (Elmer's, consumer grade glue,  etc..,)  and yellow glue (Titebond, industrial grade wood glue,  etc..) are both PVA'S,  (Polyvinyl Acetate) and both are "Aliphatic Resins". PVC-E glue is also in the PVA family with a few different compounds added to make it remain semi-flexible when dry. Aliphatic Resin is a general chemistry term that implies "at the molecular level, these products (glues, etc..) arrange themselves in chains". When yellow glue came out, manufacturers needed a fancy slogan to differentiate yellow glue from white glue so they called it Aliphatic resin, but in reality, not economy, they both are Aliphatic Resin. A lot of the Yellow Glues are stronger than the White Glues, but they are both PVA'S and are both Aliphatic Resins. PVA'S are further broken down into subgroups based on their strength, application, water resistance etc.. The PVA'S are a huge family of glues that most of us use and think they are something distinctly different because of what they are called or what someone recommends they be used for. Choose your glues carefully, any supplier/manufacturer can supply you with a specifications sheet or MSDS, this will give you the properties of the glue and most importantly will tell you what the MANUFACTURER created the glue for, not simply what a supply house markets it as. Of all the glue books I have read, "The Glue Book" by William Tandy Young makes all this easy to understand. Remember, spare the next technician the pain of fixing an improper glue job, because the next technician might be you. I think Reblitz said something like that first.

Michael A. Morvan
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joey Recker 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:57 AM
  Subject: re: Reblitz: Glue pots vs glue sticks


  Julia,
     I use a Cold liquid hide glue when I'm traveling and use the glue pot in my shop.  An Aliphatic glue is what is more commonly known as 'yellow wood glue'.  Here is a run-down of glues that I use and thier common uses:

  PVA for non-critical wood joints.  Be careful, it creeps.  Provides good working time
  Aliphatic (yellow wood glue) for common woodworking tasks, but doesn't work well with shear stress.  
  Hot Hide Glue (use urea to adjust working time).  Good for hanging hammers and rigid wood joints.  Works well for felt and leather because it doesn't soak in much.
  Cold Hide Glue.  Long working time.  General wood working tasks and rigid wood joints
  PVC-E.  Use for rubber buttons and felt trim.  It's water resistant.  It also creeps a good bit.
  Contact cement.  Water resistant, creeps.  Good for understring felt.  
  Epoxy for jobs where I need to fill wood gaps.  It's waterproof.  Good for bridge work
  Cyanoacrylates (Super Glue)(CA).  Used for small cracks, veneer, and tuning pin tightening.  Comes in different varieties (gap filling, thin, etc... for different purposes).

  Hope this helps.
  Joey Recker


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  From: KeyKat88 at aol.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:11 PM
  To: pianotech at ptg.org
  Subject: Reblitz: Glue pots vs glue sticks


  Greetings, 

        Reading Reblitz"s book, he mentions heated glue pots! Wow! To carry such a monstrostity in your car trunk! I was wondering if craft glue sticks are the same thing; Are they? Also, what is aliphatic glue?

  Thanks 
  Julia Gottshall
  REading, PA

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