ecofriendly

[Delwin D Fandrich]

Noah,
I did a class called "The Piano and the Environment" that was probably along the
lines of what you are contemplating. I also thought the subject important enough
to devote some time to it. 
 
If you're interested in looking at some of the stuff I prepared for the class
contact me privately. I'll try to get back to you sometime next week. Right now
I'm off to the Central East Regional Seminar.
 
Regards,
 
Del
Delwin D Fandrich
Piano Design & Manufacturing Consultant
620 South Tower Avenue
Centralia, Washington 98531  USA
Phone  360.736-7563
<mailto:fandrich at pianobuilders.com> 

 
 


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From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Noah Haverkamp
Sent: September 28, 2007 3:47 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: ecofriendly


Interesting banter. If the general list feels this is not a good place to
discuss these things at this time, so be it. However, I would like to clarify
that I am not interested solely in manufacturing. Far from it.  I believe 99
cents makes 99 cents, but one penny makes a dollar. In other words, every piece
of info and technique matters. The idea that one's actions are "miniscule"
compared to others is antiquated, and untrue. It's only a matter of time before
all processes, including our beloved piano technology, changes in ways that
benefit the whole world. It is inevitable. Evolution demands it. So I have no
doubt there will be a huge place for this in the seminars, and on the list.
When? - well - that's what i'm working on. 
-Noah Haverkamp Frere


Point taken.  Disagree, in that there are likely a number of processes used in
mfg, that we as rebuilders use and there could certainly be implications, but,
OK, I see your point.
 
William R. Monroe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Willem Blees 
To: pianotech at ptg.org
<http://us.f560.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=pianotech@ptg.org>  
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: ecofriendliness

As I said, there is a place for this kind of exploration and investigating. I
just don't think the PTG, either on this forum, or at seminars, etc. is the
place. We are piano technicians, not manufacturers. Now, if Noah finds out that
the glues or resins we are using in our day to day operations, for example, are
environmentally unfriendly, that is something that has a direct impact on us.
But from what he is asking, he wants information about the manufacturing of
pianos. 


Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
Piano Tuner/Technician
Honolulu, HI
Author of 
The Business of Piano Tuning
available from Potter Press
www.pianotuning.com


-----Original Message-----
From: William R. Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net>
To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: ecofriendliness


Respectfully disagree, Wim,
 
It is just this kind of thinking that helps identify weak points
(environmentally or otherwise) in our business.  Some we can't (or choose not
to) do anything about, like, making pianos.  Others, like finding more
sustainable products to use, for example, that still give us the musical
qualities we desire, may be discovered and implemented to reduce our impact.
 
I used to work at the Gibson acoustic guitar factory in Bozeman, MT (before
Gibwin) and while I was there we started experimenting with a different, faster
growing, less environmentally detrimental farmed tree for the face of the guitar
(soundboard).  I forget what we called these models, but, just the same.....it's
a valid example.  I'm sure we wouldn't have to look to hard at our industry to
find things that not only would be environmentally more friendly, but quite
possibly more economical as well.
 
William R. Monroe
 
 
Paul
 
My point is, if Noah finds out that piano manufacturing is "killing" our planet,
will you stop working on pianos? Pianos are our business. If manufatureres stop
making pianos, in the long run, it will effect our business. 

I'm not saying the public should ignore enviromental problems of piano
manufacturers, if there are any. But in my opinion, a PTG sponsored seminar or
technical institute is not the arena where this should be aired.  

Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT

Paul wrote:
If no one goes to his class he probably won't teach it any more. If lots of
people (you obviously excluded) attend and rave about it to their friends,
perhaps still more people will mob him and he'll have to write a best-seller.
Ya' never know, but with your attitude about the supposed non-problem our planet
faces, due in some small part by piano mfrs worldwide, not just the 4 in this
narcissistic nation, you'll never find out and my kids will choke to death. 






 
Okay. I'm looking for any and all information regarding the environment
(preservation of forests, damage to environment from glue, etc.) as it pertains
to a piano. I intend to become an expert and then teach a class. Any help? 
             -Noah Haverkamp Frere



The question is, why? What will you gain by knowing the damage to the
environment, and the depletion of the forests, and all the other "problems"
related to the manufacturing of pianos? First of all, there are only 4 piano
manufacturing facilities left in this country. The "damage" they are causing is
minuscule compared to the other industries. Second, on a world wide basis,
again, the impact is virtually non-existence. And last, what impact will the
information you learn have on the industry, even if you do create and teach an
outstanding class? 

I'm not saying you shouldn't do the homework, but will it be beneficial to us.

Wim 

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