For me, that's a console if it has free standing legs...not that it makes a heck of lot of difference...;-] David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Cliff Lesher" <lesher at dejazzd.com> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> Received: 10/26/2007 7:38:26 PM Subject: Re: Spinet/Console Definition; was: Appraisal Value >How about those 36"-tall pianos with keysticks that, just aft of the >balance pin, dive about 3 or 4 inches, their capstaned tail ends >providing direct blow to the wippens. Spinsoles? Consets? >Oh, and don't forget the 36" Weavers with the key-end, rocker >crowbars. My name for them: Out-of-control tail spin..ets. >To their credit, both types afford convenient action removal, making >them more consolesque. >Cliff Lesher >Winfield, PA >_______________________________________ >On Oct 26, 2007, at 9:47 PM, David Ilvedson wrote: >> Drop action=spinet. >> Action on keys/free hanging legs=console >> action on keys/legs attached to case at bottom=studio such as U1, >> UST-7 and such >> Big=Upright >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> >> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- >> From: Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> >> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Received: 10/26/2007 5:15:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Spinet/Console Definition; was: Appraisal Value >> >> >>>> If it's tall, with a full-blow action, it's not a spinet. >> >>> Well, I said "tall (for a spinet)". I'd guess it was close to 40 >>> inches tall - no shorter >>> than that. The music desk was level with the lid. >> >>> Not trying to split hairs or challenge anyone, but rather >>> determine the definition of >>> spinet and console. To the best of my knowledge, there are two >>> streams of piano >>> type definition defining four types of vertical pianos (spinet, >>> console, studio upright >>> and upright) - the layperson's and the technical definitions. The >>> layperson definition >>> is based strictly on how tall the piano is. My understanding is >>> that the technical >>> definition of a spinet is that it has the drop action - whether or >>> not it has the >>> compressed or full size action does not matter. A console does not >>> have the drop >>> mechanism, i.e. the action sits on key capstans, but has a >>> compressed-size action. >>> Then the studio upright has the full action directly on capstans >>> and the upright has >>> the action either on capstans with riser extensions (think Yamaha >>> U1 or U3), or the >>> stickers common in the old uprights. >> >>>> Even if it's >>>> console size, but has a drop action, it's a "drop-action console." >> >>> Opinions on this? IMHO, if it has a drop action, it is a spinet. >>> Or do we use five >>> classes on vertical pianos? >> >>>> If the >>>> rear ends of the keys (capstans) extend under the wippens, then >>>> it's a >>>> console. >> >>> Well, if it has a compressed action. If it has a full size action, >>> it would be a studio >>> upright. >> >>>> Yes, a dealer might ask $2K, >> >>> Right, which is why I defined "retail value" as what the dealer >>> would ask for it.... >>> Oops, I see I did not define "retail value". I meant to. Well, I >>> guess there is another >>> question: Does the phrase "retail value" mean what a dealer would >>> ask for it? I >>> thought that to be the case. >> >>>> but through the newspaper, between private >>>> parties, it might be hard to get more than $1200 - $1500 unless >>>> the finish >>>> is really like new. >> >>> Agreed. If even close to that. I see the majority of pianos like >>> this go for somewhere >>> between $500 and $1K in a private sale. >> >>>> (Looks always seem to matter more than the quality of >>>> the instrument) >> >>> LOL! Good point. So sad, but oh so true. That's why I told the >>> lady that there would >>> easily be a $200 difference in the price of the piano if she were >>> to be able to remove >>> the 39 or so glued-on letters on the middle keys (ABCDEFG). >> >> >>> Terry Farrell >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> If it's tall, with a full-blow action, it's not a spinet. >>>> Even if it's >>>> console size, but has a drop action, it's a "drop-action >>>> console." If the >>>> rear ends of the keys (capstans) extend under the wippens, then >>>> it's a >>>> console. >>>> Yes, a dealer might ask $2K, but through the newspaper, >>>> between private >>>> parties, it might be hard to get more than $1200 - $1500 unless >>>> the finish >>>> is really like new. (Looks always seem to matter more than the >>>> quality of >>>> the instrument) >>>> --David Nereson, RPT >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> I'm looking for a reality check on the retail value of a 1983 >>>>> Baldwin >>>> spinet - midwest USA prices. >>>> >>>> It is a tall one (for a spinet) with the Baldwin full-blow >>>> action. Case is >>>> good to very good, and mechanically the piano is in very good >>>> condition - I >>>> would estimate that it has average to light wear for a piano its >>>> age. The >>>> regulation is good. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing that a dealer would ask about $2k for such a beast. >>>> Yes? >>>> >>>> Terry Farrell
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