Duaine doesn't appear in the member list. Duaine made it quite clear earlier in this thread that he no longer is with the PTG. I privately confirmed after a recent similar fiasco, if an associate wishes to proclaim PTG membership (website or whatever) s/he must specifically state "Associate Member" Paul Bruesch Stillwater, MN On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net> wrote: > Duane is the web master for the St. Louis Chapter as I understand it. . > He does lots of work for the chapter and I believe a member of the PTG but > not an RPT. As I understand it you can advertise membership in the PTG as > long as you do not say you are an RPT. Duane does mostly player > rebuilding.I was a RPT from 1972 to 2000 and dropped out and if people ask > me I say I am a former PTG member without saying RPT. > James Grebe > Since 1962 > Piano Tuning & Repair > Creator of Handsome Hardwood Products( > 314) 608-4137 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 > Researcher of St. Louis Theatre History > BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE! > www.grebepiano.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andersen" < > david at davidandersenpianos.com> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [pianotech] RPT Credibility and "Status" > > > > Wow, JF. Nice rant. Really. Sounds like me. <g> 100% correct. Duaine, > Duaine, Duaine. You are revealing everything in your posts, and in > what Ed Sutton discovered. I suggest you put quotation marks around > the word "tune" or "tuning" whenever you reference your own work. > You are not a piano tuner in any world I recognize. You are a wrench > turner; a dial-looker, brother...not a tuner. I'm proud to be a piano > tuner. It's a lovely, challenging, difficult skill. It's worth a life > of effort. If you don't know why I certainly cannot tell you why, but > I'll give you a hint: > "Character is destiny." > Heraclitus > > Rock on.... > DA > > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:58 AM, John Formsma wrote: > > RPT is minimal competency. If you cannot tell -- and be able to >> explain -- the difference in what constitutes a good tuning, then >> you don't deserve the minimal competency credentials. You wouldn't >> expect a bookkeeper to promote himself "as good as a CPA" unless he >> had passed some sort of competency exam, right? Or a paralegal to >> offer his services as a lawyer unless he'd been to law school and >> passed the bar exams, right? >> >> Duaine, when I began tuning, I used a SAT II, and couldn't tell the >> difference in much other than unisons. Maybe if the octaves were >> really bad. But I joined PTG, got the help of an RPT mentor, and >> persisted. It was really hard for me to mentally grasp the concepts >> of regulation. But I persisted. I passed the exams. And I'm not >> particularly proud of my personal performance on the technical >> exams, because I know I can do better out in the "real world." But >> I persisted, and got it done. And now, I'm still trying to improve >> my skills. I'm still persisting. >> >> I have a magnetic sticker on my fridge with a quote by Henry Ford: >> "Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right." The >> thing that is holding you back is you: it is not test standards or >> other techs … it's just you. So if you want to have the RPT >> credentials, quit griping and whining, and figure out how to get it >> done. All the rest of us have done it, and you can too. But you're >> not going to do it if you keep saying "I can't." >> >> -- >> JF >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Duaine & Laura Hechler < >> dahechler at charter.net >> > wrote: >> So, what you are saying that if I can't tune aurally then I should not >> be tuning at all. >> >> If that's the case, you are about to start a major war between each >> tuner's opinion. >> >> Again, you mention peers, sure most of my peers in this area have >> tuned >> aurally - to pass the test - but they have all switched to tuning with >> some form of ETD. >> >> Again, you mention clients - I don't know where you are and who you >> tune >> for BUT none of my clients have EVER asked if I could tune aurally. >> >> This argument is getting so &*&^% old !!!! >> >> Duaine >> >> William Monroe wrote: >> > No Duaine, >> > >> > People like you should be excluded from RPT precisely because (your >> > description, mind you) you can't tune aurally and have no >> > understanding of the basic tuning concepts e.g. intervals, beats, >> > checks, etc. RPT is a designation that is defined in part by >> > affirming to ones peers, clients, etc that one can tune aurally - at >> > least to some measured degree, even with an ETD. >> <snip> >> > >> > Good luck in your growth. >> > >> > William R. Monroe >> >> >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20081218/ec1a42e2/attachment.html>
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