Try asking Jurgen about that. He sells them under the name Crescendo. And Stephen Birkett posted some real interesting high speed photography showing the stability and response they have compared to standard cloth punchings... white or otherwise. If you haven't tried them... well do. Cheers RicB Which begs the question: after all this time, who is routinely putting in Andre's front punchings? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044
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