Thanks JD Your previous post prompted me to pick up my copy of McFerrin's book and take another look at a couple spreadsheets I have for scaling. I see none of these really mention a total diameter directly. I was tempted to look closer at the density of the wrap... 0.89.... multiplying the diameter of the wrap by this figure... but I suppose thats not really related. There is no straight forward formula for calculating the end diameter then ? It <<depend>> on how much tension is applied by the string maker ? As for my instrument... Hartwig says its a Hamburg O. But the scale lengths match those of the L in the Service Manual. I'm double checking lengths tomorrow. Grin... no good sending of bogus length to da string maker. Reading a bit of S&S history surrounding the Miniature tho... seems quite possible that from its inception up until the O, M and L were officially designated that several scales were tried. Seems like they started by making a <<mini grand>>... reworking it for some years and then settled on 3 different models. More tomorrow. Cheers RicB At 20:06 +0100 7/2/08, Richard Brekne wrote: >I would be interested to know how you figure the real end diameter >for a given wire and a given wrap size. The final minor diameter of the copper will be about 90% of the original diameter if the proper tension is applied by the string-maker. Beginners tend not to pull hard enough and the final diameters they achieve in training, as well as evenness of diameter, are a good guide to what they need to put right before they can be productive. I've checked my printed scales and can't find a Steinway L after all. I don't think Hamburg ever made the L and we see very few of the American models here. If yours is called "miniature" then it's almost certainly an 'O'. You'll probably find some soundboard compression by the apron of the bass bridge. As to the bass scale(s) the same rules would apply. JD
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