Hi JD. JD write: That's why I said "take off the bars" :-) My posting was in response to Ric's quotes from researchers into wood, which I was saying were really not very significant for the range of values for moisture content in a working piano. Actually the change of strength characteristics I listed are fairly linear in the ranges we typically see... certainly from an MC range of 3.5 % up to 18 % covers our discussion... and in that range the percent changes in strengths for changes in moisture are pretty fairly consistant throughout. If anything the phenomena he describes will _reduce_ the inherent stiffness of the wood as it takes on moisture I think, if you double check my post.. this is exactly what I said. Wood in general gets stronger as it gets dryer. (a problem, incidentally, that is noticeable with hammers) and _increases_ the compression and hence the potential crown. My test will be to measure the _inherent_ stiffness of the wood over a realistic range of values for moisture content. I think you will find that stiffness characteristics may vary somewhat depending on the grain orientation you are taking. Since E is found by taking dividing the amount of stress by the degree of strain, and since (as stated elsewhere) the resultant quotient can vary depending on whether or not the piece is loaded tangentially or radially... E sub T and E sub R can well be different. Hoadley cites a general figure of 2 % change in E for 1 % change in MC. But he aslo states that FSPL for compression perpendicular to the grain are based on an avearging of both these... so I would suppose (tho do not know at this point) that values in Static bending tables for E are taken rather likewise. In pianos tho... we often use strictly tangential loading or strictly radial loading.... and it would seem to me to be prudent to be sure of any significant differences. The results will be interesting, but almost certainly insignificant, because what interests us is the resilience of the soundboard assembly as a whole. How these variances in strengths for variances in moisture play out in any given ribbed assembly is of course another question entirely... and on the surface of it at least a certain degree of complexity would seem involved. You are dealing with wood pieces with opposing grain directions glued together with not only strength changes going on, but dimensional changes as well. Its beyond me at present to calculate this... grin... perhaps I will find time to think it through. Cheers RicB
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