I am planning to get Charles to make me a custom tuning lever using
some ebony I have. I was just thinking of getting his standard (up
to now) titanium shaft. Do you think the carbon shaft is that much
superior? The head on the carbon tool seems a bit big and bulky (it is
a lot bigger than on the titanium shaft) - does that interfere with
sight lines when moving the tool for pin to pin?
Jurgen Goering
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> 1. Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool? (Joe And Penny Goss)
> 2. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (paulrevenkojones at aol.com)
> 3. Re: CF carbon fiber lever (David Andersen)
> 4. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (Farrell)
> 5. Grand pianos for sale to rebuild (Rob & Helen Goodale)
> 6. Re: CF carbon fiber lever (Kent Swafford)
> 7. RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. (
> Right?) (Don)
> 8. RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. (
> Right?) (Don)
> 9. Re: Lunar Drama - OT (Avery Todd)
> 10. Re: Vintage Piano Shop (Avery Todd)
>
> From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:15:28 PST
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool?
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> The tool is made by Jahn
> Joe Goss RPT
> Mother Goose Tools
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Swafford" <kswafford at gmail.com>
> To: <pianotuner at embarqmail.com>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Grand Piano drop screw tool?
>
>
>> Same tool. With some difficulty I was able to narrow the blade inside
>> the barrel so it would fit the tiny drop screw slots. I suppose it's
>> possible that Pianotek later started making the tool with a properly
>> narrowed blade -- hope so.
>>
>> Kent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Alan Barnard wrote:
>>
>>> Nice thumb shot, Kent!
>>>
>>> This is the tool I have
>>> <1.jpg>
>>>
>>> Is it the same one? Mine has a slotted end and a driver end, both
>>> with "shields" around them to keep the tool from slipping off the
>>> screw. But the collars, or shields, don't seem quite as fat,
>>> proportionally, as the one in your picture. Anyway, I don't quite
>>> understand what you did to modify yours, based on the picture. Some
>>> beveling?
>>>
>>> Alan Barnard
>>> Salem, MO
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> From: paulrevenkojones at aol.com
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:20:08 PST
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> Nahhh. I'm going to go look at the eclipse (I love cosmic stuff!) even
> though up here we have a heat wave--it's maybe 6 above with windchill
> putting it at 5 below. Do you know that word, Terry? Windchill? Say
> "windchill". Sucks all of the moisture right out of you!
>> Oh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!?
>>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 7:03 pm
> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
>
> Oh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!?
>
> Terry Farrell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Ah, well, ok, but it's more painful to put your foot in your mouth
>> with shoes on, Terry! Always be prepared, I say! :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/
>> TLE2008Feb21.html
>>
>> Big show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it!
>>
>> Show begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM.
>>
>> Put down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your
>> regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and
>> sit back and watch the show!
>>
>> I reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a
>> jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here
>> too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted to
>> 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight.....
>>
>> ;-) (all in good fun!)
>>
>> Terry Farrell
> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
>
> From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:03:03 PST
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: CF carbon fiber lever
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> I'll weigh in here....I've been using a prototype like yours, Kent,
> from Charles Faulk, for about the same amount of time; I had
> exclusively used his titanium lever for the 3 years prior; I
> immediately fell even more in love with the carbon lever, and refused
> to send it back. <g>
>
> I highly, highly recommend the carbon fiber lever; it's like touching
> your lover's face with surgical gloves on, rather than the work gloves
> of normal levers---the pin sensitivity is just off the charts.
>
>> http://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/
> BTW I also used Dale Erwin's Fujan lever to tune at Disney Hall a
> couple months ago---and I loved it too. I just think Charlie's tool
> looks prettier, and I like it a little better....a carbon fiber lever
> should be your next "big" tool purchase.
> David Andersen
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Kent Swafford wrote:
>
>> I've been using a prototype of a new tuning lever since October. It
>> has a 5/8" carbon fiber shaft, a custom handle, and a full-sleeve
>> aluminum head. The lever is long but still light-weight. The tubular
>> head provides for a very stiff overall feel. I wasn't in the market
>> for a new lever, but I ended up asking to purchase the prototype
>> because I liked it so much.
>>
>> You can see the production version at:
>>
>> http://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/
>>
>>
>> Just a happy customer,
>>
>> Kent Swafford
>>
>> <cf.jpg>
>
> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:40:01 PST
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> We don't have wind chill down in these here parts. We have the
> "feels-like" temperature. As in, it's only 92 degrees out, but because
> it is so humid, it "feels-like" it's 99 degrees.
>
> Hey, the weather is absolutely perfect here right now. Ask me how much
> I luvin' the south in July. You might find I'm singing another tune!
>
> Terry Farrell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: paulrevenkojones at aol.com
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
>>
>> Nahhh. I'm going to go look at the eclipse (I love cosmic stuff!)
>> even though up here we have a heat wave--it's maybe 6 above with
>> windchill putting it at 5 below. Do you know that word, Terry?
>> Windchill? Say "windchill". Sucks all of the moisture right out of
>> you!
>>> Oh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!?
>>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 7:03 pm
>> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
>>
>> Oh crud. Did I put my foot in my mouth - again?!?!?!?
>>
>> Terry Farrell
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> Ah, well, ok, but it's more painful to put your foot in your mouth
>>> with shoes on, Terry! Always be prepared, I say! :-)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/
>>> TLE2008Feb21.html
>>>
>>> Big show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it!
>>>
>>> Show begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM.
>>>
>>> Put down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your
>>> regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and
>>> sit back and watch the show!
>>>
>>> I reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a
>>> jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here
>>> too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted
>>> to 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight.....
>>>
>>> ;-) (all in good fun!)
>>>
>>> Terry Farrell More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL
>>> Mail!
>
> From: "Rob & Helen Goodale" <rrg at unlv.nevada.edu>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:46:14 PST
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Grand pianos for sale to rebuild
> Reply-To: Rob & Helen Goodale <rrg at unlv.nevada.edu>, Pianotech List
> <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a couple pianos I'd like to clear out of my shop. I would
> really prefer to rebuild them but I really need the space right now
> and I've got enough projects going that I don't know when I'll have
> time to get to them. They are very rebuildable and should become fine
> pianos.
>
> The first is a Baldwin #17391. It is 6' 3" which I believe makes it
> a model "L". Case is black, no bench. It requires a full rebuild but
> it should be a real honey of a piano when completed. It is currently
> on it's side but I remember it having a very big sound even as it is.
> This should make a great rebuild job and easy to sell to a
> professional. Price is $3,000 firm.
>
> The second is a 5' 4" Knabe. The piano is on it's side between two
> others so I can't really get a good look at the serial number but
> suffice it to say that it is most likely 1920s. It also requires
> rebuilding. It was formally an Ampico player which is no longer
> present but that has no consequence on it as a regular
> piano. Technically it is the same as the equivalent model without.
> Again it has a good sound even as-is but should become a fantastic
> piano when rebuilt. Price is $2,000 firm.
>
> Buyer pays shipping but I will be happy to make all necessary
> arrangements at this end including local pick-up and transfer to
> keyboard carriage. This is a great opportunity to snatch up a couple
> of nice rebuildable pianos at a fair price. They deserve to be in the
> hands of a good rebuilder and then to a new happy home.
>
> Hurry, first come - first sold!
>
> Rob Goodale, RPT
> Las Vegas, NV
> From: Kent Swafford <kswafford at gmail.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:48:23 PST
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: CF carbon fiber lever
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> I've been wondering who the other beta testers were. Great to hear you
> were as impressed as I was.
>
> Kent
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:03 PM, David Andersen wrote:
>
>> I'll weigh in here....I've been using a prototype like yours, Kent,
>> from Charles Faulk, for about the same amount of time; I had
>> exclusively used his titanium lever for the 3 years prior; I
>> immediately fell even more in love with the carbon lever, and refused
>> to send it back. <g>
>>
>> I highly, highly recommend the carbon fiber lever; it's like touching
>> your lover's face with surgical gloves on, rather than the work
>> gloves of normal levers---the pin sensitivity is just off the charts.
>>
>>> http://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/
>> BTW I also used Dale Erwin's Fujan lever to tune at Disney Hall a
>> couple months ago---and I loved it too. I just think Charlie's tool
>> looks prettier, and I like it a little better....a carbon fiber lever
>> should be your next "big" tool purchase.
>> David Andersen
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Kent Swafford wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a prototype of a new tuning lever since October. It
>>> has a 5/8" carbon fiber shaft, a custom handle, and a full-sleeve
>>> aluminum head. The lever is long but still light-weight. The tubular
>>> head provides for a very stiff overall feel. I wasn't in the market
>>> for a new lever, but I ended up asking to purchase the prototype
>>> because I liked it so much.
>>>
>>> You can see the production version at:
>>>
>>> http://www.faulkpiano.com/CFTuningHammer/
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a happy customer,
>>>
>>> Kent Swafford
>>>
>>> <cf.jpg>
>
> From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca>
> Date: February 20, 2008 19:57:28 PST
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. (
> Right?)
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> Hi Dean,
>
> I agree with your lack of encounters.
>
> If someone would post results from a properly controlled room, then we
> would know. For now I believe that properly serviced DC systems in
> pianos
> with covers blow away any hivac controlled piano room as far as pitch
> stability goes.
>
> At 05:31 PM 2/20/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>> I think you may be technically correct, a properly
controlled
room
>> is the
>> best, I just never encounter such a room in the real world.
>
>> Dean
> Regards,
> Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
> Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat
>
> mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/
>
> 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7
> 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner
>
>
>
>
> From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca>
> Date: February 20, 2008 19:49:27 PST
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: RE: Whole room humidity control better than Dampp Chaser. (
> Right?)
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> Hi Dean,
>
> That would vary with your location. I do not say DC's without covers
> don't
> work--just that they work much better. Bottom covers vs no bottom
> covers
> here is some data.
>
> 2006 02 pitch correction between 9.4 cents (A4) worst note 20 cents
> (bottom
> cover removed by client's cat some time after 2005 02 {DC install since
> 1992 6 foot grand})
>
> 2007 02 pitch correction between 3.3 cents (A4), worst note 9.4 cents
> (bottom cover put in place one month before tuning in 2007)
>
> 2008 02 pitch correction between 1.9 (A4), worst note 4.5 cents
>
> I have no clients with string covers, so I have no data. I do
> encourage my
> clients to fully close the lid. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it
> doesn't.
> I'd dearly love to do installs with both string covers and bottom
> covers.
>
> At 05:16 PM 2/20/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>> I have years of anecdotal evidence on scores of installations that say
>> otherwise. Perhaps a string cover increases their effectiveness, but
>> on many
>> of my installations I dont know how. Im talking about pianos that
>> had +/-
>> 25 cent seasonal variation that went to +/- 2.
>
>> Dean
>
>> 10:26 AM
> Regards,
> Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
> Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat
>
> mailto:pianotuna at yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/
>
> 3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7
> 306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner
>
>
>
>
> From: "Avery Todd" <ptuner1 at gmail.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 18:01:40 PST
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: Lunar Drama - OT
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> Too many clouds in Houston tonight to be able to see it!
>
> Avery Todd
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/LEmono/TLE2008Feb21/
>> TLE2008Feb21.html
>>
>> Big show in the sky tonight. Don't miss it!
>>
>> Show begins at 8:43 PM EST and gets into full swing at 10:01 PM.
>>
>> Put down those hand planes, turn off your CNC router, pack away your
>> regulating tools for the night, grab a beer and a lounge chair and
>> sit back and watch the show!
>>
>> I reckon those much north of Tampa, might consider putting on a
>> jacket or something. I mean don't worry, it's pretty darn cold here
>> too. I just checked the temp outside and the mercury has plummeted to
>> 66 degrees F. Heck, I might even put shoes on tonight.....
>>
>> ;-) (all in good fun!)
>>
>> Terry Farrell
>> Farrell Piano
>>
>> www.farrellpiano.com
>> terry at farrellpiano.com
>
> From: "Avery Todd" <ptuner1 at gmail.com>
> Date: February 20, 2008 17:55:49 PST
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: Vintage Piano Shop
> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>
>
> That's one reason I like doing work for the dealer in Beaumont. He
> pays me when I get through and then I go home! Love it!
>
> Avery Todd
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, David Doremus
> <algiers_piano at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> No pay, thats the problem. I have had very slow paying dealers in the
>> last 2 years but always eventually got payed, except for one where I
>> didnt bill them because I felt obligated to tell the customer that
>> he'd
>> bought a pig in a piano shape, that was a painful moment but he really
>> had been taken. Now so many people are buying pianos over the
>> internet,
>> which I dont get, it's like buying shoes, no two pairs fit the same.
>> I
>> get a lot of calls for warranty work, tunings, set up etc and right
>> now
>> at least I just dont need the aggravation unless I can have my money
>> in
>> a timely manner....
>>
>>
>> --Dave
>> New Orleans
>>
>> Phil Bondi wrote:
>> >
>> > Are you not being compensated? That would be another story.
>> >
>> > -Phil Bondi(Fl)
>> >
>> >
>> > David Doremus wrote:
>> >> Anyone out there had any dealings with them? I swear Im not doing
>> any
>> >> more work for out of town dealers unless I get paid up front....
>> >>
>> >> --Dave
>> >> New Orleans
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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