[pianotech] gluing on sharps

Gerald Cousins cousins_gerry at msn.com
Wed Nov 12 18:42:55 PST 2008


Dean,
I would chalk this one under the heading of "Experience" and in the words of John & Paul "Let it be." Or if you rather Monty Python... "RUN AWAY!"  One has to weigh the amount of effort against the as they say in NY, "The agita factor" 
That is the stressing brought upon you by you over the debate of who or whom is right.
Again I'd just leave it alone as you have little to gain. 
If you're concerned about her Lawyer, which I perceive to be just saber rattling, start a paper trail by documenting everything and put in in a file then after some time just shred it.

Been there...Done That...
Gerry  Cousins, RPT



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From: deanmay at pianorebuilders.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:28:12 -0500
Subject: [pianotech] gluing on sharps

Greetings allA few months ago I posted a problem I had with a new set of
sharps I installed that had several coming off. I received several helpful
hints on things I could do differently, but the basic protocol was: get clean
surface, use PVC-E glue, which is what I had done. The situation is now
resolved and I wanted to share what I found to be the problem. To wit, the new
sharps from Schaff come with a very shiny glue surface, unlike sharps from the
past that were rough giving the glue something to bite. These new sharps from
Schaff need to have the bottom side sanded first with something like a 150
sandpaper to provide a suitable gluing surface

In keeping with the axiom of no good deed will go
unpunished, this sharp replacement job was an extra freebie that I had done on
this piano in conjunction with some other work and it turned into a nightmare. Originally
I had agreed to shoot some lacquer on the original sharps to spruce them up at
no charge. But they had some kind of coating on them that, even after extensive
sanding, made the new paint a gummy mess. So I told the customer I would install
new ones at no charge. To complicate things the customer lives about 45 miles
from me. After installing the action the customer was very happy. On returning
home I had a call from a very distraught customer that the sharps were coming
off, I had ruined her piano, and she insisted I return immediately. Because of
other commitments it was not possible for me to return for a few days. In the
meantime she contacted a respected piano supplier many on this list use. This
supplier told her (I am getting this second hand, of course, and not directly
from the supplier) that her keys were ruined, but not to worry they could make
a new set for her for around $2k. The customer did not want me to touch her piano and
contacted her attorney. She wanted me to pay for a new set of keys from this
supplier. It ended up, long story short, I hired another mutually agreed upon
rebuilder who replaced the sharps. He verified that the keys were not ruined
and also spotted the original problem of shiney glue surface. 
In 25 years this is a first for me, having a problem that I
was not able to resolve directly with the customer. What is particularly
bothersome, however, is what I would deem the very unprofessional conduct of this
piano parts supplier, giving a sight unseen diagnosis over the phone with no
prior knowledge of the circumstances. Their conduct has cost me several hundred
dollars and a lot of goodwill. How do you all think I should respond? Dean
Dean May            
cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com  
812.235.5272 Terre Haute IN 
 47802

 








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From: AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:10:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [pianotech] gluing on sharps












Dean,
 
A very sad story, but in my option many mistakes made 
here.
 
First, a lesson learned here. NEVER do any work for 
nothing. It tells the customer what you think your time is worth.
 
Secondly, I would have contacted the supplier 
directly to find out what they have to say about what 
happened.
 
Thirdly, you should have let her take you to court. 
You could have represented yourself and the court would always give you the 
opportunity to rectify the problem before there were any fines or cost to you 
and the supplier would have to appear in court to prove that the keys were in 
fact ruined.
 
Sorry this happened to you. 
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Al Guecia
 
 




From: Dean May 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'Pianotech List' 
Subject: [pianotech] gluing on sharps



Greetings 
all
 
A few months ago I posted a problem 
I had with a new set of sharps I installed that had several coming off. I 
received several helpful hints on things I could do differently, but the basic 
protocol was: get clean surface, use PVC-E glue, which is what I had done. The 
situation is now resolved and I wanted to share what I found to be the problem. 
To wit, the new sharps from Schaff come with a very shiny glue surface, unlike 
sharps from the past that were rough giving the glue something to bite. These 
new sharps from Schaff need to have the bottom side sanded first with something 
like a 150 sandpaper to provide a suitable gluing surface. 

 
In keeping with the axiom of no good 
deed will go unpunished, this sharp replacement job was an extra freebie that I 
had done on this piano in conjunction with some other work and it turned into a 
nightmare. Originally I had agreed to shoot some lacquer on the original sharps 
to spruce them up at no charge. But they had some kind of coating on them that, 
even after extensive sanding, made the new paint a gummy mess. So I told the 
customer I would install new ones at no charge. To complicate things the 
customer lives about 45 miles from me. After installing the action the customer 
was very happy. On returning home I had a call from a very distraught customer 
that the sharps were coming off, I had ruined her piano, and she insisted I 
return immediately. Because of other commitments it was not possible for me to 
return for a few days. In the meantime she contacted a respected piano supplier 
many on this list use. This supplier told her (I am getting this second hand, of 
course, and not directly from the supplier) that her keys were ruined, but not 
to worry they could make a new set for her for around $2k. 

 
The customer did not want me to 
touch her piano and contacted her attorney. She wanted me to pay for a new set 
of keys from this supplier. It ended up, long story short, I hired another 
mutually agreed upon rebuilder who replaced the sharps. He verified that the 
keys were not ruined and also spotted the original problem of shiney glue 
surface. 
 
In 25 years this is a first for me, 
having a problem that I was not able to resolve directly with the customer. What 
is particularly bothersome, however, is what I would deem the very 
unprofessional conduct of this piano parts supplier, giving a sight unseen 
diagnosis over the phone with no prior knowledge of the circumstances. Their 
conduct has cost me several hundred dollars and a lot of goodwill. How do you 
all think I should respond? 
 
Dean
 
Dean 
May             
cell 812.239.3359 
PianoRebuilders.com   
812.235.5272 
Terre 
Haute IN  47802
 


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From: m_spreeman at hotmail.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:32:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [pianotech] gluing on sharps








Dean,

 

I'm not certain what you would expect to accomplish by responding to "the supplier"; setting things right with them, clearing your conscience, chastising them for something you may never know all the facts to? The piano problem is resolved and you've done your part to rectify the situation. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps, or realize that you won't be able to make everyone happy, learn, and move on.

 

If you deem it necessary to communicate with the supplier, my advice would be to try to get the facts. You state that "(I am getting this second hand, of course, and not directly from the supplier)".  There are a myriad of possibilities as to what the communication was between said supplier and the customer. The customer may have insisted the keys were ruined and in need of replacement to the supplier, who then simply quoted the cost for replacement. It wouldn't be unusual for the customer to then relate to you that the supplier said the keys were ruined, blah, blah, blah. Don't enact the guilty verdict on the supplier unless you know exactly how the whole thing went down, which you will likely never know for sure. 



                Michael Spreeman 
    www.RavenscroftPianos.com
 




 
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