When I said pitch raising I mean't the entire tuning appointment...pitch raise and tuning/2 passes. I don't have a goal of a fine tuning in that situation, I only try to make it better in the time I have. It will be much better... I think it's hard enough to fine tune, i.e. concert tune when the piano is within a few cents... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 8/28/2009 9:20:11 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >I don't think so. Setting fee policy with respect to pitch raising and fine >tuning with or without follow up ultimately depends on what can be expected >from the piano and/or is achievable by the technician. The reasons for what >is possible or not possible are germane to setting policy (that's where this >all started). Unless you know what is or isn't achievable how can you begin >to think about how to communicate that to the customer? The discussion may >not be interesting to you but I assume it is of interest to those who >started this thread with a legitimate question. >To respond to David I's comment, nobody is claiming that pitch raising is >fine tuning. The question is whether you can pitch raise and then fine tune >(two separate procedures) in one sitting with expectations of stability. >David Love >www.davidlovepianos.com >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Gerald Groot >Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:06 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >Well, all you guys are doing is going back and forth trying to win something >that none of you is willing to concede on except asking questions to avoid >answers... Or, at least one of you is anyway.... >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of David Love >Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:44 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >If it's boring to you don't read it. For those questioning policy with >customers regarding pitch raises and the necessity for follow up >appointments it has relevance. >David Love >www.davidlovepianos.com >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Gerald Groot >Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:41 PM >To: 'David Ilvedson'; pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >Agreed. >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of David Ilvedson >Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:48 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >Zzzzzz........................ >David Ilvedson, RPT >Pacifica, CA 94044 >----- Original message ---------------------------------------- >From: PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Received: 8/28/2009 1:24:39 PM >Subject: Re: [pianotech] PR follow up >>In a message dated 8/28/2009 7:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>rnossaman at cox.net writes: >>Well, nobody asked, but in case at least that many care - in >>my world, David's got it right. >>Well, Ron, nobody did, but David has a perspective, as do you, which is not >> "right" but self-informed, and so also not "wrong". >>I see no reason, presuming the >>piano's tunable in the first place, that it can't be left in >>an acceptable >>So, "acceptable" = "adequate" or "fine"? Which is it? >> >>Do these words mean nothing? Is there no distinction? >> >>state of tune after a pitch raise. If, during >>the process, every realistic effort is made to pound the slack >>out of the back scale, followed by a real attempt to leave a >>stable string as you typically would, there's no reason you >>shouldn't end up with a piano as in tune as if you hadn't done >>a pitch raise. >>Can you substitute the word "stable" in place of "in tune" and make the >>same flat claim? (no pun intended) >> >> >>I agree with everything else you say, but I don't know what kind of tuning >>you are describing. >> >>Cheers, >> >>P >>That's the de-fuzzifier. You can leave the >>piano reflecting your typical standard of tuning after even a >>substantial pitch raise. How long it will stay that way >>depends mostly, in my experience, on how well you were able to >>equalize segment tensions on both sides of the bridges. Some >>techs have no conception of this, and some are fairly good at >>it. I've done half-to-full semitone pitch raises, with >>instructions to call for another tuning when it becomes >>obvious it's needed, and tuned the piano two years later no >>more off pitch than a stable piano tuned six months ago. I've >>also had them quite rough in a month, indicating I hadn't >>gotten segment tensions equalized as I had tried, even though >>the piano was in good tune when I left. I think two weeks is >>rushing it some for the follow up. A month is more reasonable >>to me, or when it sounds like it needs it. But that's my call. >>So, as usual, it depends. >>Ron N > _____ >avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. >Virus Database (VPS): 090828-0, 08/28/2009 >Tested on: 8/28/2009 11:41:01 PM >avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > _____ >avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. >Virus Database (VPS): 090828-0, 08/28/2009 >Tested on: 8/29/2009 12:06:29 AM >avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.
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