Oh Boy, here we go again... Duaine I am wondering how you know what the problems with aural tuning would be? You have stated you can't tune aurally so how would you know any thing about it? Its called beats man, its called being able to hear what the piano sounds like. That's how we know... I perform a pitch raise about the same way John Formsma has indicated he does and it takes me about the same amount of time. Maybe 1.5 hours at most and that is if I have to go through the piano 3 times. I have found in most situations twice through will finish the job. I for one won't take the time to explain how it works because you have stated that you don't know anything about aural tuning and you don't won't to learn anything about it. I'm not saying an ETD is useless but if one ever wants to become a good tuner/technician he or she must be able to tune aurally.
Shawn Brock, RPT
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From: Duaine & Laura Hechler
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural Tuning, a third flat
That's another problem with aural tuning - what is it exactly of 30% overpull - meaning how do you do that ?
I know, at least, Cybertuner automatically calculates and adds overpull.
Since 99% of my customers' tuning are pitch raises in the first place - that's why an ETD is, in my eyes, absolutely necessary.
Duaine
David Love wrote:
The beat rates would be slower. But why not just pull it beyond pitch by a factor of 25% (30% in the treble) so it falls back about where it should be by the time you’re done? Afraid of strings breaking? If they’re going to break, they’ll break anyway. First pass to get it close, second pass if you missed your mark doing it aurally, third pass to fine tune (charge accordingly) and then come back in 3-4 months to tune it again (though it will likely be 3 years if they let it go this long the last time). I don’t believe in creeping up on the pitch. Just get it there, do your best to fine tune it on the second pass and schedule the next appointment sooner than the last one. This is where an ETD comes in handy for accurate and fast pitch raises so the fine tuning has less distance to travel.
David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Livingston
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:47 PM
To: Pianotech list
Subject: [pianotech] Aural Tuning, a third flat
Dear Friends,
We have been told that the beat rate for A3-C#4 is about 9 bps; F3-A3 is about 7 bps; do these beat rates only apply when A4 is close to 440?
If A3 on a neglected piano is closer to F#, are those beat rates the same?
I recently tuned the most out-of-tune Acrosonic I've ever seen in 22 years of tuning. I did my best and the piano sounds better than I'm sure it's sounded in years, but I didn't dare get the A anywhere near my 435 fork. I decided just to raise A4 a bit and tune it from that point. Of course, if it slipped, it would throw everything off, but I had no other reference point. I will tune it again in a few months.
Can I use those traditional beat rates when the A is somewhere around 420? Just wondering...
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