[pianotech] Wurzen punchings - from John, with no last name

Ryan Sowers tunerryan at gmail.com
Fri Jan 2 22:24:29 PST 2009


Let's all make a new year's resolution to ignore this guy.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM, <pianotek2000 at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all who responded to my observation and comment on the commercial
> use of this list as it's given me a real insight into your group, and
> apologies to all who were offended.  Very telling.  Didn't realize this
> was such a close knit, and rather defensive group.  Will Truitt, the most
> reasoned response.  Sounds like a professional.  Dale Erwin appears to be
> the mother hen of the list, a little possessive and obviously wants to keep
> the flock on track.  Someone pointed out to me that he also uses the forum
> to promote his own business ventures so not surprised he was offended.
>
> Most of you jumped to the conclusion that I must have something against the
> pianoforte supply company but, frankly, I had never heard of them until I
> viewed your list which, having now looked at the website, realize its only
> an individual masquerading as a company, but probably a very good technician
> as most of you attest.  Please don't start another thread with that
> comment.  It's not meant to be derogative.  Many techs have augmented
> their income that way for years, Wally Brooks being probably the most
> successful at it.
>
> The most interesting aspects of all your comments was that, in your view,
> Jurgen represents the top end of the rebuilding business.  I didn't see
> much available on his website that would indicate that or contribute to
> quality rebuilding.  If I were distributing hammers as poorly constructed
> as those shown on his website, which look like knockoffs of another
> successful product, I sure wouldn't publish the pictures.  This business
> can be subjective, however, and I'm happy to accept your nearly unanimous
> view that what I saw on Jurgen's website represents quality from your
> perspective.
>
> From a c ompetitive standpoint, that's good new for me but probably sad for
> the industry.  I am a major rebuilder, still not ready to give you my last
> name or company details, but I was asked to view your website; made the
> mistake of giving a very quick impression of what I saw as a common misuse
> of these kinds of forums and have been castigated by your group ever since.
> I won't be bothering you in the future.  Continue with your version of the
> high end of piano rebuilding and I'll continue with mine.  Good luck to
> all of you and, again, by sincere apologies to all who I've offended.
>
> Good luck in the New Year.
> John, with no last name.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech]20wurzen front punching felt
> Just as in-appropriate...'-[
>
> David Ilvedson, RPT
> Pacifica, CA 94044
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avery Todd <ptuner1 at gmail.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Blatant Commercialization (was Re: wurzen front
> punching)
> I'm late coming in on this but I agree with what everyone else wrote.
> Except THAT John, of course! Who is he? Who does he "think" he is?
>
> Avery Todd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Amen.
>
> Will Truitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Anderson <anrebe at sbcglobal.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 9:43 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> Gentleman,
> It is time to lay this poor dead old horse to rest.
>
> Enough is, in this case, more then enough.
>
> Andrew Anderson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:28 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Honestly folks,
>
> I'm as annoyed as anyone with this "John" post, but I really think we do
> ourselves a disservice by lowering ourselves this way.  Will Truitt's post
> said what we are all obviously thinking and did it in a diplomatic way.  I
> think we would all benefit from an approach that seeks to elevate ourselves
> and our brethren of the trade.  Too much anger these days - we don't need to
> be a part of it.
>
> Not saying I haven't had the same type of thoughts, Tom (and others) just
> that it doesn't do us any good as a group or an individual.  I have had at
> least one client that recognized me and my posts on the list.
>
> William R. Monroe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aol <bunkypiano at aol.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:19 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech]=2 0wurzen front punching felt
> This latest thread with John has really pissed me off.  Sorry to stoop to
> his level but I can't help myself so I'll say it.  Hey John, why don't you
> come to Louisiana and I'll just whip your ass myself, you ignorant son of a
> bitch!
> Tom Mc Nabb
> Mc Nabb Music
> The Keyboard Clinic
> 200 West Magnolia
> Bunkie, La. 71322
> 318-346-7111
> Oh, to all of the rest of you, best wishes and a Happy New Year!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Thanks Starr:
>
> I think it's time for everybody to stop throwing the hand grenades, I
> suspect that John X is a bit shell shocked by now.  I am sure he knows he
> has the Poor Housekeeping sign of Disapproval.  Maybe we all should back off
> now and give him the opportunity to redeem himself, if that possibility is
> within his heart.
>
> Will
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> As the original poster regarding the Crecendo punchings, I have to
> whole-heatedly agree with all those who have come to Jurgen's defense. I
> would encourage "John" doe piano tech to apologize for the hurtful email. I
> also am aware that Jurgen is not only trying to run a piano supply business
> but he is actually out there fixing pianos as well! Hat's off to you Jurgen!
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:20 PM, <pianotek2000 at aol.com> wrote:
> The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization.  Run
> an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products.  You're a
> nothing in this industry.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean May <deanmay at piano rebuilders.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> I want one of those flamesuits. Do you accept PayPal?
>
> Dean
>
> Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
>
> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272
>
> Terre Haute IN  47802
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:19 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Roger Jolly wrote:
>
> > I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn.
> > I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond >
> reasonable.
> > Roger Jolly
> > PS maybe I do nothing?
>
> NO! I love what you said. 100% true. Keep saying it forever.
>
> xoxoDA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doodles <noodles at oodles.orangehome.co.uk>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> *As usual, it's the lurkers who have nothing to contribute that do the
> whining!*
>
> *Remember the saying; "empty barrels make the most noise"!*
>
> *AF*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:58 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Top and center, Marketplace page in the back of the November 2008 PTJ.
> Maybe you don't receive it?
> Paul BRUESCH
> Stillwater, MN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starr Taylor <st.piano at verizon.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:46 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Great Post Will! I could use some of your diplomacy and I seriously
> considered an International Relations Degree when going to college. Hats off
> to your grace and maturity.
>
> Starr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Jolly <roger.j at sasktel.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:24 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Dear Sir,
>                      I take great exception to your Snide remarks, aimed at
> Jurgen G0e ring and Piano Forte.
>
> For the record.  Jurgen is a highly trained  technician, that has taught at
> various conventions, sharing his vast wealth of knowledge.
> His constant searching for superior tools and materials in Europe has been
> a great benefit to a large percentage of the top tech's  on this Continent.
> In turn this has lead to superior piano performance for the end users.
> His commitment to our community should be applauded not criticized.
>
> Now a question for you, if you have the back bone to answer.  What have you
> done to enrich our community?  I suspect nothing.  I suspect you are at the
> very bottom level of skill set, because you would never have made such a
> stupid remark.
>
> I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn.
>
> I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond
> reasonable.
>
> Roger Jolly
>
> PS maybe I do nothing?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:45 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> John,
>
> every convention I have ever been to Jurgen has been involved in the trade
> show.  Admittedly I have only been to 4 conventions, but I'm sure Jurgen has
> been to more than that.  I am a proud RPT member of the PTG but I expect
> Jurgen has been more involved and has given more in the way of money and
> support to the Guild than I have.  He has always been a good fellow to deal
> with and has aloud me to grope his merchandise as long as I have wanted  to
> at conventions.  His business is small and you are not just another set of
> key easing pliers with him, I can't say that is the same with one of the
> other supply houses you referenced.  I can say that his products are of a
> higher quality than the big supply house you have mentioned though and they
> are built to last.  They are not as cheap but you get what you pay for.  I
> don't care how much Schaff advertises in the PTJ that don't mean they have
> the best tools and materials.  They have proven that to me time and time
> again.  Another thing that always irks me with them is they act like its a
> big deal if you call them for a price check on a product, if you don't have
> your account number they will go through the roof!  They are not at the top
> when it comes to customer service.  Some of the products they offer have
> lessened in quality over the years and it seems like no one in house can
> answer questions about anything they sell.  I will only get products from
> people who actually have piano technician experience, but that's just
> me. You are just sharing your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with
> that, but you shouldn't have call the man or the company a nothing in this
> business.  Everyone is a nothing in any business.  It don't matter what you
> do, you can be replaced.
>
> Shawn Brock, RPT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:23 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> My insult-spewing, conclusion-jumping, unobservant, unaware colleague,
> "John," has put his toe in a pond he knows nothing a bout. Okay, "John,"
> here's the story. Your first comment, and now this one, assures us that you
> know nothing about this man Jurgen---a most giving, most supportive piano
> technician, father, and friend---or his business, Pianoforte Supply, one of
> the best suppliers to the high end of our craft. I've seen his ads in PTJ.
>  "John," why don't you attempt to bum another whole group of people out
> somewhere else with your hand-grenade-throwing, know-nothing statements?
> Just a thought: please don't make your psychological problems our cross to
> bear. K?
> David Andersen
> proud colleague of Jurgen Goering
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:14 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Wow,
> Somebody has blown off everyone else from the list of nominations for
> "Pianotech's Mr Cranky For 2008!" Thank goodness, cuz I know I would have
> gotten a few votes.
> Happier New Year,
> Patrick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erwinspiano at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:43 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Was Wurzen Felt.....New topic forums?
> *Hi JEff**
> *  *All good thoughts. However there is a **huge **difference between
> having a heated difference of opinion based on discussion & being blindsided
> by an offensive & personal attack on ones integrity,credibility &
> motivations. Unacceptable**
>  Jurgen Goering is one of the most kind & decent humans I know. This man,
> John X,whatever.. . completely disregarded Jurgens humanity with his callous
> and rude statements. He was probably parroting something some else said.
>  A list for suppliers of goods & services would be a great idea. Some one
> would need to monitor it administratively. How bout you Jeff? Grin.
>    Yuuu cuuld keyp our spellling in liine as weell.
>   Happy New year
>   Dale*
>
> I agree that John went over the top in his statement, but that is not an
> uncommon
> occurrence on this board, witness the discussions regarding ETD's and exam
> processes
> that pop up often. Frequently discussions become heated and steam is
> released via the
> –computer– keyboard. I would hazard a guess that most of these folks, if
> given the
> chance, would gladly reword their replies to save the point made without
> starting such a
> rukus. Maybe not. On a side note, I have noticed that as tempers rise,
> spelling and grammar fall which makes the rant rather comical to
> read...research topic for an English Major?  I am very new in this
> business, about two years, but I have come to value this board and the many,
> many technical discussions I have followed have helped me in countless ways.
> In the interest of keeping the focus on technical discussion and yet
> allowing for an open forum for new products and for letting off legitimate
> steam, cannot a new list be developed to answer each need? I would imagine
> that many techs, from rookies like me to seasoned veterans who still love
> new tools and tricks would love such a dedicated area to browse and to post
> their own and I have no doubt that the steam relief valve board would get
> the wires smoking in no time.
>
> Just an early morning thought to bring in the new year, which I hope is
> full of appointments and good business for all.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeffrey Cutler
> Piano Service
> jeff at chordsandboards.com
> 651-398-6293
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Many on this list come up with some great words. So I'll start a *fill
> in the blanks*.
>
> No last name = *Coward*
>
> Unprovoked attack = *Envy*
>
> No apology = *Loser*
>
> Al G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andré oorebeek <oorebeek at planet.nl>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:25 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> This guy 'John' is out of line and indeed should apologize.
> Jurgen is a great guy, a friend to many and a very experieced and
> knowledgable piano echnician.
>
> Friendly greetings
> from
> Andre Oorebeek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:06 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> WOW! ................Take a chill pill man!!!
>
> Al G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conrad Hoffsommer <hoffsoco at luther.edu>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:44 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> erwinspiano at aol.com wrote:
>
> Heck, I'm offended _and_ offensive...
>
> As the original Nothing-in-this-industry, with my full line of
> Vapoorwear(TM) Flamesuits and related accessori es, I virtually _created_
>  my own cottage industry. (or is that - created my own virtual industry)
>
> Cease and desist this nothingness, or I shall be forced to do some serious
> product testing.
>
> BTW, Happy New Year
>
> Flamesuit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:25 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Dear John:
>
> I will join the many others who have kind words to say about Jurgen.  I
> have ordered parts from him that I cannot get anywhere else.  He is
> dedicated to carrying the best stuff, and he has worked hard to carry a
> unique product line.  Obviously, you have never ordered from him, or you
> would have the experience that I have had, whether by phone or e-mail, and
> that is that he goes out of his way to be helpful and of service.  I am
> confident that is also the experience of others on this list who use him.
>  Not that it means anything in business, but he's a hell of a nice guy too.
>
>
> You are right that Jurgen is not one of the BIG BOYS.  He's a "little guy"
> business like you and me who is trying to make his business succeed by
> working his ass off and giving great service.  How can I do anything but
> absolutely respect that, and want to support it with my business?  You may
> not think he does enough to support the industry, but I believe he does what
> he can.
>
> When you say, "You are a nothing in this industry", it does not matter
> whether you are talking about him personally or his business, it is
> genuinely offensive.  Your further explanation seems to shovel more dirt
> into your grave than help you.
>
> You aren't the first person on this list to put your foot into your mouth,
> and you probably won't be the last.  But I know what I do when I realize
> that I have said something stupid and have offended someone – I take stock
> of my error, acknowledge it fully, and apologize.  And you know what?  It's
> a cleansing experience that puts things behind you.
>
> I believe you owe Jurgen an apology, which you should do publicly since you
> made your comments here and perhaps privately as well.  And share your last
> name with us too.  Here that will be part of being a man and owning your
> mistake.
>
> If you can do that, I will welcome you to this forum with the caveat that
> you respect a certain amount of decorum.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Will Truitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A440A at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:08 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> Greetings,
>
>     I disagree.   Pianoforte doesn't "take",  they sell.  I buy.  The ads are there because they pay for themselves.  Supporting the industry?  They AR
> E the industry.  Whether they advertise or not is a business decision, not a charitable decision and there is no need to create adversity out of thin air.
>
>     I am grateful to the smaller, boutique companies.  They operate on a smaller margin, take bigger chances, (atypical wire, odd sizes of leather, esoteric tools, etc.), and offer some products, (like the Wurzen punchings), that are really different.
>
>
>
> Ed Foote RPT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Swafford <kswafford at gmail.com>
> To: pianotek2000 at aol.com
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:07 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> PTG lists are not anonymous. Please sign your posts with both your first
> and last names.
>
> Posts which state opinions about what subjects should and should not appear
> on the lists should be sent only privately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kent Swafford, Chair
> PTG Electronic Communications Committee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fenton Murray <fmurray at cruzio.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:18 am
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Jurgen always buys a booth at conventions and advertises in the PTJ, even
> in NY where he couldn't take my money.
> Fenton Murray, RPT
> 06 exhibit hall director Cal State.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> *Obviously, you don't go to conventions, or you would have seen Jurgen, at
> his booth.*
> *You either don't get the Journal, or you don't read the ads, because I
> have seen Jurgen's ad in it.*
> *How many conventions have you gone to, oh that's right, I figured that
> out already.*
> *By the way, since I am also named John, it would be nice to see a last
> name, so people don't think you are me. You know, the people that have met
> me at conventions.*
> *Obviously, you are a somebody.*
> *John Ross*
> *Windsor**, Nova Scotia, Canada*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Well at least you're not offensive.
>
> David Love
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Sorry, wrong!  There are any number of individuals and small companies
> providing specialty tools and parts whose contributions are developing,
> searching out, stocking and offering for distribution items that would not
> otherwise be available from the main suppliers.  Many of these individuals
> don't have nearly the volume as a Yamaha, Schaff or Renner to be able to run
> "big ads" in the journal or "all star" presentations (lunch included)
> nevertheless they provide a valuable service to those techs who are
> constantly looking for new ideas, tools, parts and ways to do things better
> (and, btw, Pianoforte does run ads in the journal).  Don't be naïve, the
> investment that Renner, Schaff and Yamaha make are vehicles to promote their
> products and they are fortunate (as are we who b enefit) to have the capital
> for larger scale promotions.  The bottom line is still the same—they need to
> make money.  Smaller companies like Pianoforte are entitled to make a living
> for the service they provide as well even if their promotions can't match
> those of the big boys.  Do you think, btw, that the techs who contribute to
> this list don't sometimes engage in self promotion?  Does that diminish
> their technical contributions?
>
> Last name would be good, btw
> David Love
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith McGavern <kam544 at allegiance.tv>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> John,
>
> There is no way that you could word what you have said in a better fashion.
> Your comments concerning PIANO FORTE SUPPLY<http://www.pianofortesupply.com/> &
> Jurgen Goering are incomprehensible.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erwinspiano at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>  * I did**
>  I'm not defensive. I'm offended.
>   Dale*
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erwinspiano at aol.com
> To: p ianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>   *Again. You've got it so wrong.**
>   You've got an ax to grind & you don't know what you're talking about.
>   It takes a major league effort to be any kind of parts & goods provider
> to our fickle industry. Jurgen has many parts & supplies unavaialble from
> other sources. First class first rate products.
>   I firmly support all folks of integrity providing this kind of service to
> our professional community whether it be in the guild or without. Who cares?
>   In any case you're new here many people providing goods & services have
> informed of us products we might other wise not know about. I don't recall
> any of them being reamed as you have just done.
>  SO what's you're real beef?
> * *Get a grip.**
>  Dale Erwin*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Dale, Please reread my last post and clarification before you become so
> defensive.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erwinspiano at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> *WOW**
>   Lighten up! Jurgen is a valued member & colleague of this list. Perhaps
> your'e new here but one purpose of this list is to critique & expose
> ourselves to new & useful products. Your rudeness is unwelcome.
>   "Your 'e a Nothin g in this industry"? Who the H_ _ _ do you think you
> are?
>  Apologize or Get Lost...really
>  Sincerely
>  Dale*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> My comment could have been better worded.  The intent was to point out
> that Jurgen's outfit contributes nothing to the industry, not that he
> personally is a nothing.  I don't know him.  There are people in our
> industry who genuinely give and those that only take.  I've never seen
> pianoforte company run an ad, sponsor a major class or support the
> industry.  They only try to skim off the efforts of others.  Look at the
> January PTG Journal just delivered.  Companies like Yamaha, Schaff, Renner,
> etc. , all run the big ads in our Journal that support us and help make the
> PTG possible.  Schaff told me that most of their busines s comes from non
> PTG members.  I'm sure the same is true with Renner, so why do they do
> that.  Renner told me they do it because they believe the PTG represents the
> best opportuntity to continue raise the level of professionalisim in this
> trade.  I'm only suggesting that Jurgen starts supporting us the way the
> other companies do and not just use the LIst in lieu of advertising.  As far
> as responding to a question about his products, Mike, that's one of the
> oldest setups on the List.  Jurgen's not the first one to try it.  I'm only
> pointing out the obvious.  We're in a shrinking business, and I'm grateful
> for the companies that continue to invest and grow our business and less
> tolerant of the companies like Pianoforte who only take.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> Hi John (with no last name),
>
>
>
> Thanks for giving Jurgen some free advertising. You make me want to do
>
> business with him.
>
>
>
> At 11:20 PM 12/30/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>
> > The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization.  Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products.   You're a nothing in this industry.
>
> >
>
> > John
>
> Regards,
>
> Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> John
> Jurgen is a valued member of the piano tech community with positive
> information to advance the trade.
>
> Just what do you have to offer.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jon Page
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Spalding <mike.spalding1 at verizon.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> Dear John,
>
> Personally, I have no objection to Jurgen responding to questions about his
> products in this manner. I'm bothered more by gratuitous insults such as
> "you're a nothing".
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Mike Spalding
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
> It's just information.
>
> David Love
> www.davidlovepianos.com
>
> From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization.  Run
> an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products.  You're a
> nothing in this industry.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jurgen Goering <pianoforte at pianofortesupply.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
>
> Ry Sowers asked about how the Crescendo Punchings are being received.
>
> The short answer is "very well, thank you", judging by the sales
>
> numbers.  Admittedly, it is mainly the high end rebuilders who use
>
> this punching almost exclusively.  As has been noted, there a
> re cases
>
> where the Crescendos may not be the best option, and of course
>
> personal preference always plays into it as well.
>
> The fact that top end companies such as Steingraeber (and others) are
>
> using this felt is an unspoken endorsement.  For more user opinions on
>
> Crescendos, see:
>
> http://www.pianofortesupply.com/cresc.testimonia.html
>
> Someone mentioned ironing the conventional green punchings.  I have
>
> also heard of using hammer hardener on FR punchings.  To suggest this
>
> as an alternative to Crescendo punchings is nai
> ve.  The Crescendo felt
>
> has a certain firmness and density, but the proprietary felting method
>
> used, which is akin to the famous Wurzen hammer felt, preserves the
>
> natural resilience of the wool fiber.  Pressing  felt with heat will
>
> destroy the resilience which is needed to cushion the key blow.
>
> Jurgen Goering
>
> Piano Forte Supply
>
> (250) 754-2440
>
>
>
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-- 
Ryan Sowers, RPT
Puget Sound Chapter
Olympia, WA
www.pianova.net
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