Dear John:
I would say thanks for the compliment if you gave any indication that you understood what I was trying to say. Your response below disappoints me. I rarely am one to believe that exchanging insults is of value to anyone, so I will continue to resist the impulse here.
You so easily judge people whom you have never met, and I would say that being judgmental in the way that you are is narcissistic and self serving. And just about dead wrong in your appraisals. But if you can make your judgments from a far enough distance, you will never have to see that you are wrong and take responsibility for the offense you so easily give.
It serves you to think of this list as some kind of Good Ole Boy network, but I can tell you we fight way too much and disagree too much for that to be true. But we mostly manage to do that with a reasonable amount of civility, decorum, and good humor. And, if one of us takes ourselves too seriously, we get put in our place. It works though because at the bottom of it is a deep respect that most of us share for one another.
I will take the liberty of believing that I speak for a lot of people on this list by saying that we believe it is an instrument of great value that we want to protect and nourish. You aren’t the first person called on the carpet for a lack of decorum. Your remarks are destructive, and we don’t want them or you if that is the only manner in which you choose to approach us.
I take offense at the remarks you have just made about Dale Erwin. If you actually knew Dale, you simply could not make those remarks. I’ve met Dale at conventions, and have frequently corresponded with him on this list and privately. Dale is a person who makes me realize what a joy and blessing this community is, and how fortunate I am to be part of it. I am not blowing smoke when I say that Dale is one of the finest rebuilders in the country who freely shares his treasure trove of knowledge with anyone, and without ego. He is also as kind and decent a person as I have met, and one who tries to live a good life with every breath he takes. So it saddens me to see him so wrongly attacked by someone who is only serving their own ego.
You feel castigated? Every single person of the many who responded had only good things to say about Jurgen. It may serve you to think we are circling the wagons, but did it ever enter your mind that maybe, just maybe, you are wrong in what you said? And that Jurgen is who we say he is? Jurgen confirmed our faith in him by the gentlemanly response he finally gave and, to his credit, he entirely resisted the impulse to respond in kind to you.
When the whole world tells you that you are wrong, it’s time to look in the mirror.
Will Truitt
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of pianotek2000 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:06 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: [pianotech] Wurzen punchings - from John, with no last name
Thanks to all who responded to my observation and comment on the commercial use of this list as it’s given me a real insight into your group, and apologies to all who were offended. Very telling. Didn’t realize this was such a close knit, and rather defensive group. Will Truitt, the most reasoned response. Sounds like a professional. Dale Erwin appears to be the mother hen of the list, a little possessive and obviously wants to keep the flock on track. Someone pointed out to me that he also uses the forum to promote his own business ventures so not surprised he was offended.
Most of you jumped to the conclusion that I must have something against the pianoforte supply company but, frankly, I had never heard of them until I viewed your list which, having now looked at the website, realize its only an individual masquerading as a company, but probably a very good technician as most of you attest. Please don’t start another thread with that comment. It’s not meant to be derogative. Many techs have augmented their income that way for years, Wally Brooks being probably the most successful at it.
The most interesting aspects of all your comments was that, in your view, Jurgen represents the top end of the rebuilding business. I didn’t see much available on his website that would indicate that or contribute to quality rebuilding. If I were distributing hammers as poorly constructed as those shown on his website, which look like knockoffs of another successful product, I sure wouldn’t publish the pictures. This business can be subjective, however, and I’m happy to accept your nearly unanimous view that what I saw on Jurgen’s website represents quality from your perspective.
>From a c ompetitive standpoint, that’s good new for me but probably sad for the industry. I am a major rebuilder, still not ready to give you my last name or company details, but I was asked to view your website; made the mistake of giving a very quick impression of what I saw as a common misuse of these kinds of forums and have been castigated by your group ever since. I won’t be bothering you in the future. Continue with your version of the high end of piano rebuilding and I’ll continue with mine. Good luck to all of you and, again, by sincere apologies to all who I’ve offended.
Good luck in the New Year.
John, with no last name.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech]20wurzen front punching felt
Just as in-appropriate...'-[
David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA 94044
-----Original Message-----
From: Avery Todd <ptuner1 at gmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Blatant Commercialization (was Re: wurzen front punching)
I'm late coming in on this but I agree with what everyone else wrote. Except THAT John, of course! Who is he? Who does he "think" he is?
Avery Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Amen.
Will Truitt
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Anderson <anrebe at sbcglobal.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 9:43 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Gentleman,
It is time to lay this poor dead old horse to rest.
Enough is, in this case, more then enough.
Andrew Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From: William Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:28 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Honestly folks,
I'm as annoyed as anyone with this "John" post, but I really think we do ourselves a disservice by lowering ourselves this way. Will Truitt's post said what we are all obviously thinking and did it in a diplomatic way. I think we would all benefit from an approach that seeks to elevate ourselves and our brethren of the trade. Too much anger these days - we don't need to be a part of it.
Not saying I haven't had the same type of thoughts, Tom (and others) just that it doesn't do us any good as a group or an individual. I have had at least one client that recognized me and my posts on the list.
William R. Monroe
-----Original Message-----
From: aol <bunkypiano at aol.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:19 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech]=2 0wurzen front punching felt
This latest thread with John has really pissed me off. Sorry to stoop to his level but I can't help myself so I'll say it. Hey John, why don't you come to Louisiana and I'll just whip your ass myself, you ignorant son of a bitch!
Tom Mc Nabb
Mc Nabb Music
The Keyboard Clinic
200 West Magnolia
Bunkie, La. 71322
318-346-7111
Oh, to all of the rest of you, best wishes and a Happy New Year!
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Thanks Starr:
I think it’s time for everybody to stop throwing the hand grenades, I suspect that John X is a bit shell shocked by now. I am sure he knows he has the Poor Housekeeping sign of Disapproval. Maybe we all should back off now and give him the opportunity to redeem himself, if that possibility is within his heart.
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
As the original poster regarding the Crecendo punchings, I have to whole-heatedly agree with all those who have come to Jurgen's defense. I would encourage "John" doe piano tech to apologize for the hurtful email. I also am aware that Jurgen is not only trying to run a piano supply business but he is actually out there fixing pianos as well! Hat's off to you Jurgen!
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:20 PM, <pianotek2000 at aol.com> wrote:
The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a nothing in this industry.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean May <deanmay at piano rebuilders.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
I want one of those flamesuits. Do you accept PayPal?
Dean
Dean May cell 812.239.3359
PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272
Terre Haute IN 47802
-----Original Message-----
From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Roger Jolly wrote:
> I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn.
> I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond > reasonable.
> Roger Jolly
> PS maybe I do nothing?
NO! I love what you said. 100% true. Keep saying it forever.
xoxoDA
-----Original Message-----
From: Doodles <noodles at oodles.orangehome.co.uk>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
As usual, it's the lurkers who have nothing to contribute that do the whining!
Remember the saying; "empty barrels make the most noise"!
AF
-----Original Message-----
From: paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Top and center, Marketplace page in the back of the November 2008 PTJ. Maybe you don't receive it?
Paul BRUESCH
Stillwater, MN
-----Original Message-----
From: Starr Taylor <st.piano at verizon.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Great Post Will! I could use some of your diplomacy and I seriously considered an International Relations Degree when going to college. Hats off to your grace and maturity.
Starr
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Jolly <roger.j at sasktel.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:24 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Dear Sir,
I take great exception to your Snide remarks, aimed at Jurgen G0e ring and Piano Forte.
For the record. Jurgen is a highly trained technician, that has taught at various conventions, sharing his vast wealth of knowledge.
His constant searching for superior tools and materials in Europe has been a great benefit to a large percentage of the top tech's on this Continent. In turn this has lead to superior piano performance for the end users.
His commitment to our community should be applauded not criticized.
Now a question for you, if you have the back bone to answer. What have you done to enrich our community? I suspect nothing. I suspect you are at the very bottom level of skill set, because you would never have made such a stupid remark.
I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn.
I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond reasonable.
Roger Jolly
PS maybe I do nothing?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:45 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
John,
every convention I have ever been to Jurgen has been involved in the trade show. Admittedly I have only been to 4 conventions, but I'm sure Jurgen has been to more than that. I am a proud RPT member of the PTG but I expect Jurgen has been more involved and has given more in the way of money and support to the Guild than I have. He has always been a good fellow to deal with and has aloud me to grope his merchandise as long as I have wanted to at conventions. His business is small and you are not just another set of key easing pliers with him, I can't say that is the same with one of the other supply houses you referenced. I can say that his products are of a higher quality than the big supply house you have mentioned though and they are built to last. They are not as cheap but you get what you pay for. I don't care how much Schaff advertises in the PTJ that don't mean they have the best tools and materials. They have proven that to me time and time again. Another thing that always irks me with them is they act like its a big deal if you call them for a price check on a product, if you don't have your account number they will go through the roof! They are not at the top when it comes to customer service. Some of the products they offer have lessened in quality over the years and it seems like no one in house can answer questions about anything they sell. I will only get products from people who actually have piano technician experience, but that's just me. You are just sharing your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with that, but you shouldn't have call the man or the company a nothing in this business. Everyone is a nothing in any business. It don't matter what you do, you can be replaced.
Shawn Brock, RPT
-----Original Message-----
From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:23 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
My insult-spewing, conclusion-jumping, unobservant, unaware colleague, "John," has put his toe in a pond he knows nothing a bout. Okay, "John," here's the story. Your first comment, and now this one, assures us that you know nothing about this man Jurgen---a most giving, most supportive piano technician, father, and friend---or his business, Pianoforte Supply, one of the best suppliers to the high end of our craft. I've seen his ads in PTJ. "John," why don't you attempt to bum another whole group of people out somewhere else with your hand-grenade-throwing, know-nothing statements? Just a thought: please don't make your psychological problems our cross to bear. K?
David Andersen
proud colleague of Jurgen Goering
-----Original Message-----
From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Wow,
Somebody has blown off everyone else from the list of nominations for "Pianotech's Mr Cranky For 2008!" Thank goodness, cuz I know I would have gotten a few votes.
Happier New Year,
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: erwinspiano at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:43 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Was Wurzen Felt.....New topic forums?
Hi JEff
All good thoughts. However there is a huge difference between having a heated difference of opinion based on discussion & being blindsided by an offensive & personal attack on ones integrity,credibility & motivations. Unacceptable
Jurgen Goering is one of the most kind & decent humans I know. This man, John X,whatever.. . completely disregarded Jurgens humanity with his callous and rude statements. He was probably parroting something some else said.
A list for suppliers of goods & services would be a great idea. Some one would need to monitor it administratively. How bout you Jeff? Grin.
Yuuu cuuld keyp our spellling in liine as weell.
Happy New year
Dale
I agree that John went over the top in his statement, but that is not an uncommon
occurrence on this board, witness the discussions regarding ETD’s and exam processes
that pop up often. Frequently discussions become heated and steam is released via the
–computer– keyboard. I would hazard a guess that most of these folks, if given the
chance, would gladly reword their replies to save the point made without starting such a
rukus. Maybe not. On a side note, I have noticed that as tempers rise, spelling and grammar fall which makes the rant rather comical to read...research topic for an English Major? I am very new in this business, about two years, but I have come to value this board and the many, many technical discussions I have followed have helped me in countless ways. In the interest of keeping the focus on technical discussion and yet allowing for an open forum for new products and for letting off legitimate steam, cannot a new list be developed to answer each need? I would imagine that many techs, from rookies like me to seasoned veterans who still love new tools and tricks would love such a dedicated area to browse and to post their own and I have no doubt that the steam relief valve board would get the wires smoking in no time.
Just an early morning thought to bring in the new year, which I hope is full of appointments and good business for all.
Jeff
Jeffrey Cutler
Piano Service
jeff at chordsandboards.com
651-398-6293
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Manyon this list come up with some great words. So I'll start a *fill in the blanks*.
No last name = Coward
Unprovoked attack = Envy
No apology = Loser
Al G
-----Original Message-----
From: andré oorebeek <oorebeek at planet.nl>
To: pianotech at ptg.org <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:25 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
This guy 'John' is out of line and indeed should apologize.
Jurgen is a great guy, a friend to many and a very experieced and knowledgable piano echnician.
Friendly greetings
from
Andre Oorebeek
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:06 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
WOW! ................Take a chill pill man!!!
Al G
-----Original Message-----
From: Conrad Hoffsommer <hoffsoco at luther.edu>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:44 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
<mailto:erwinspiano at aol.com> erwinspiano at aol.com wrote:
Heck, I'm offended _and_ offensive...
As the original Nothing-in-this-industry, with my full line of Vapoorwear(TM) Flamesuits and related accessori es, I virtually _created_ my own cottage industry. (or is that - created my own virtual industry)
Cease and desist this nothingness, or I shall be forced to do some serious product testing.
BTW, Happy New Year
Flamesuit
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:25 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Dear John:
I will join the many others who have kind words to say about Jurgen. I have ordered parts from him that I cannot get anywhere else. He is dedicated to carrying the best stuff, and he has worked hard to carry a unique product line. Obviously, you have never ordered from him, or you would have the experience that I have had, whether by phone or e-mail, and that is that he goes out of his way to be helpful and of service. I am confident that is also the experience of others on this list who use him. Not that it means anything in business, but he’s a hell of a nice guy too.
You are right that Jurgen is not one of the BIG BOYS. He’s a “little guy” business like you and me who is trying to make his business succeed by working his ass off and giving great service. How can I do anything but absolutely respect that, and want to support it with my business? You may not think he does enough to support the industry, but I believe he does what he can.
When you say, “You are a nothing in this industry”, it does not matter whether you are talking about him personally or his business, it is genuinely offensive. Your further explanation seems to shovel more dirt into your grave than help you.
You aren’t the first person on this list to put your foot into your mouth, and you probably won’t be the last. But I know what I do when I realize that I have said something stupid and have offended someone – I take stock of my error, acknowledge it fully, and apologize. And you know what? It’s a cleansing experience that puts things behind you.
I believe you owe Jurgen an apology, which you should do publicly since you made your comments here and perhaps privately as well. And share your last name with us too. Here that will be part of being a man and owning your mistake.
If you can do that, I will welcome you to this forum with the caveat that you respect a certain amount of decorum.
Sincerely yours,
Will Truitt
-----Original Message-----
From: A440A at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:08 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Greetings,
I disagree. Pianoforte doesn't "take", they sell. I buy. The ads are there because they pay for themselves. Supporting the industry? They AR
E the industry. Whether they advertise or not is a business decision, not a charitable decision and there is no need to create adversity out of thin air.
I am grateful to the smaller, boutique companies. They operate on a smaller margin, take bigger chances, (atypical wire, odd sizes of leather, esoteric tools, etc.), and offer some products, (like the Wurzen punchings), that are really different.
Ed Foote RPT
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Swafford <kswafford at gmail.com>
To: pianotek2000 at aol.com
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
PTG lists are not anonymous. Please sign your posts with both your first and last names.
Posts which state opinions about what subjects should and should not appear on the lists should be sent only privately.
Thanks,
Kent Swafford, Chair
PTG Electronic Communications Committee
-----Original Message-----
From: Fenton Murray <fmurray at cruzio.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:18 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Jurgen always buys a booth at conventions and advertises in the PTJ, even in NY where he couldn't take my money.
Fenton Murray, RPT
06 exhibit hall director Cal State.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Obviously, you don't go to conventions, or you would have seen Jurgen, at his booth.
You either don't get the Journal, or you don't read the ads, because I have seen Jurgen's ad in it.
How many conventions have you gone to, oh that's right, I figured that out already.
By the way, since I am also named John, it would be nice to see a last name, so people don't think you are me. You know, the people that have met me at conventions.
Obviously, you are a somebody.
John Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Well at least you’re not offensive.
David Love
-----Original Message-----
From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Sorry, wrong! There are any number of individuals and small companies providing specialty tools and parts whose contributions are developing, searching out, stocking and offering for distribution items that would not otherwise be available from the main suppliers. Many of these individuals don’t have nearly the volume as a Yamaha, Schaff or Renner to be able to run “big ads” in the journal or “all star” presentations (lunch included) nevertheless they provide a valuable service to those techs who are constantly looking for new ideas, tools, parts and ways to do things better (and, btw, Pianoforte does run ads in the journal). Don’t be naïve, the investment that Renner, Schaff and Yamaha make are vehicles to promote their products and they are fortunate (as are we who b enefit) to have the capital for larger scale promotions. The bottom line is still the same—they need to make money. Smaller companies like Pianoforte are entitled to make a living for the service they provide as well even if their promotions can’t match those of the big boys. Do you think, btw, that the techs who contribute to this list don’t sometimes engage in self promotion? Does that diminish their technical contributions?
Last name would be good, btw
David Love
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith McGavern <kam544 at allegiance.tv>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
John,
There is no way that you could word what you have said in a better fashion. Your comments concerning PIANO <http://www.pianofortesupply.com/> FORTE SUPPLY & Jurgen Goering are incomprehensible.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: erwinspiano at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
I did
I'm not defensive. I'm offended.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: erwinspiano at aol.com
To: p ianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Again. You've got it so wrong.
You've got an ax to grind & you don't know what you're talking about.
It takes a major league effort to be any kind of parts & goods provider to our fickle industry. Jurgen has many parts & supplies unavaialble from other sources. First class first rate products.
I firmly support all folks of integrity providing this kind of service to our professional community whether it be in the guild or without. Who cares?
In any case you're new here many people providing goods & services have informed of us products we might other wise not know about. I don't recall any of them being reamed as you have just done.
SO what's you're real beef?
Get a grip.
Dale Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Dale, Please reread my last post and clarification before you become so defensive.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: erwinspiano at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
WOW
Lighten up! Jurgen is a valued member & colleague of this list. Perhaps your'e new here but one purpose of this list is to critique & expose ourselves to new & useful products. Your rudeness is unwelcome.
"Your 'e a Nothin g in this industry"? Who the H_ _ _ do you think you are?
Apologize or Get Lost...really
Sincerely
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
My comment could have been better worded. The intent was to point out that Jurgen's outfit contributes nothing to the industry, not that he personally is a nothing. I don't know him. There are people in our industry who genuinely give and those that only take. I've never seen pianoforte company run an ad, sponsor a major class or support the industry. They only try to skim off the efforts of others. Look at the January PTG Journal just delivered. Companies like Yamaha, Schaff, Renner, etc. , all run the big ads in our Journal that support us and help make the PTG possible. Schaff told me that most of their busines s comes from non PTG members. I'm sure the same is true with Renner, so why do they do that. Renner told me they do it because they believe the PTG represents the best opportuntity to continue raise the level of professionalisim in this trade. I'm only suggesting that Jurgen starts supporting us the way the other companies do and not just use the LIst in lieu of advertising. As far as responding to a question about his products, Mike, that's one of the oldest setups on the List. Jurgen's not the first one to try it. I'm only pointing out the obvious. We're in a shrinking business, and I'm grateful for the companies that continue to invest and grow our business and less tolerant of the companies like Pianoforte who only take.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Hi John (with no last name),
Thanks for giving Jurgen some free advertising. You make me want to do
business with him.
At 11:20 PM 12/30/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a nothing in this industry.
>
> John
Regards,
Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
John
Jurgen is a valued member of the piano tech community with positive information to advance the trade.
Just what do you have to offer.
--
Regards,
Jon Page
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Spalding <mike.spalding1 at verizon.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Dear John,
Personally, I have no objection to Jurgen responding to questions about his products in this manner. I'm bothered more by gratuitous insults such as "you're a nothing".
Just my 2 cents.
Mike Spalding
-----Original Message-----
From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
It’s just information.
David Love
<http://www.davidlovepianos.com/> www.davidlovepianos.com
From: pianotek2000 at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a nothing in this industry.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jurgen Goering <pianoforte at pianofortesupply.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt
Ry Sowers asked about how the Crescendo Punchings are being received.
The short answer is "very well, thank you", judging by the sales
numbers. Admittedly, it is mainly the high end rebuilders who use
this punching almost exclusively. As has been noted, there a
re cases
where the Crescendos may not be the best option, and of course
personal preference always plays into it as well.
The fact that top end companies such as Steingraeber (and others) are
using this felt is an unspoken endorsement. For more user opinions on
Crescendos, see:
http://www.pianofortesupply.com/cresc.testimonia.html
Someone mentioned ironing the conventional green punchings. I have
also heard of using hammer hardener on FR punchings. To suggest this
as an alternative to Crescendo punchings is nai
ve. The Crescendo felt
has a certain firmness and density, but the proprietary felting method
used, which is akin to the famous Wurzen hammer felt, preserves the
natural resilience of the wool fiber. Pressing felt with heat will
destroy the resilience which is needed to cushion the key blow.
Jurgen Goering
Piano Forte Supply
(250) 754-2440
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