I'm just now able to make some replies to this thread. And, by the way, though my first name is John, my last name is clearly indicated .... Whew! what a time-waster that other John is! Anyway ... there were four basic areas on which I'll comment: speed and techniques, fees, Ron N's way, and ETDs still faster. - Speed and techniques. - I'm not worrying about settling pins -- just getting them closer each time to where they should end up. You can kind of approximate where the pin would settle (if you were to take time to set it) by tuning a certain amount sharp. It will settle as you tune, and certainly by the second or third pass. - Lever technique for verticals is a "karate chop" with my palm. I first saw Jim Coleman doing this in 2000. Over the years, I've begun to do it as well. It's actually easier and faster for me than the CyberHammer, which I use as well. The Fujan lever is much lighter and easier to manipulate, so I find I like that tool better. It's actually faster for me. Grand lever technique is usually an impact method, with my hand staying in one position on the lever -- right below the ball end (on the Fujan). And I usually stand after setting the temperament (which will be set in about a minute or so on the first pass, and a bit more time on the second). - I strip mute for all pitch raises. Usually one strip in the middle section and one in the bass bichords, and two in the treble. The strips in the treble are arranged so that, after tuning the middle strings, I can pull out one entire strip, then tune tune the outside strings. I tune by whole notes up to the top, then back down again. This allows one to stay on the same "row" of pins. The strips are arranged this way -- one strip represented by an "X", and the other by an "O." ||| X ||| O ||| X ||| O ||| X ||| O ||| X. - Let me hasten to say that the piano sounds horrid after the first pass. I'm not after a nice sound on that pass -- just getting it closer to the right tension. - I'll use P4s and P5s as quickie "tests" just to see if it's close enough. They are one handed and quick, particularly when you get into the rhythm of speed tuning. - Fees - Right now, since it takes about the same time as an average tuning, I'm charging my normal tuning rate. Perhaps I should go up for "wear and tear", and I might do that this year. I have found that this way is less stressful because it greatly lessens those internal concerns about perfection we all seem to struggle with. Knowing at the beginning that this "tuning" is not designed to be perfect seems to eliminate that "user-generated" stress. And I end up doing a better job because of it. Much better than if I were to take great pains to make it "perfect." - I'll try Ron N's way of doing it. It sounds like it would work well. I use an AccuFork, and will set the starting pitch to 30% sharp of how much it was flat. On the Wurlie spinet, though, I set the starting pitch to 20 cents sharp, and tuned A3 first instead of A4 (it saves a step in the temp sequence, and gets it close enough for a first pass). Spinets require less overpull in the middle section, so I didn't want to get it sharp and have to lower it. And, I tune spinet tenor bichords flatter on the first pass. Some of those strings are in the F3-F4 temp octave. They usually end up well over A440 after the first pass if you don't compensate for that. - As far as ETDs being faster and making us more productive on big pitch raises, David L. is probably right. I just don't want to buy one. <G> I'm comfortable now with my tool kit "footprint." Actually, I'd like to make it smaller and lighter, and an ETD won't accommodate that with all that I currently carry. I do have a non-functional SAT II that I might have repaired for use in the future. But by the time I could set up the tuning, I'll have all the middle strings of the middle section tuned, and moving up into the treble. Unless you can use a generic tuning for a pitch raise ... and I'm certainly open to suggestions about this. Thanks for all the comments. They will make me a better technician. What a great thing the list is! -- JF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090103/0d0b3ac4/attachment-0001.html>
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