[pianotech] Front rail pin extraction

Court Stewart calexste at gmail.com
Tue Jul 14 12:10:47 MDT 2009


That was fast!

Thanks so much to everyone who's commented.  I count at least 6 possible
solutions, all tried and true.  What a valuable resource this list is.

Floyd:
Those rivet installers look pretty cool -- I may pick up a pair just to play
with on the balance rail if nothing else.  Considering some of the other
tools I've gotten from Harbor Freight, I may pick up two ;). Now I'm lusting
a little after the Pianotek pin pulling device -- I don't think I'd be able
to justify its cost currently but I can think of at least two jobs I could
use it on.

I didn't check the bottom of the rail to see if the pins were protruding.  I
did look under the balance rail to see if they had been drilled through, but
they weren't.

William:
The impact tool sounds ingenious.  Am I understanding correctly that I would
clamp the vise-grips on and then slide the weight quickly up to the 2nd nut
on the rod for the impact?  I've got a 5lb iron dumbell plate in mind...

David:
My current piano wire pliers are probably not long enough for an effective
lever.  However, I've got some heavy duty crimping pliers that would
probably bite well and I'll take them and a dowel along next trip.  Or I may
take the excuse/opportunity to upgrade to the fancier wire cutters.

John:
Thanks for the variation on the above :)

Kerry:
Another great solution.  Finally a job my hammer extractor can do well!
Sounds like a poor man's version of the pianotek machine.  It wouldn't be my
choice for the entire job, but I can see where it would definitely pull out
even the tightest pins and it will be accompanying me to the job as well.

Joe:
Thanks for your input too.

I must say I left the job yesterday a bit discouraged and sore.  You guys
have brightened my mood considerably and somehow my back feels a little
better now as well.

-Court Stewart


On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com> wrote:

> The tip of the bolt would not go into the slot that pushes the clamping
> lever on my vise grip and needed to be the same shape as the original bolt.
> You may have used a larger vise grip plier.
> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Monroe" <bill at a440piano.net
> >
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:00 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Front rail pin extraction
>
>
> Nope, no grinding required. Not sure I understand, though. I just
> bought threaded rod of the same size as the adjusting screw/bolt that
> I removed.
>
> William R. Monroe
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:14 AM, "Joe Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi William,
>> Did you not have to grind off the threads of the new bolt to match  the
>> old one?
>> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
>> imatunr at srvinet.com
>> www.mothergoosetools.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Monroe" <
>> bill at a440piano.net
>> >
>> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Front rail pin extraction
>>
>>
>> Court,
>>
>> I modified a pair of Vise-Grips for pulling sundry tight "thingies."
>> I replaced the original adjusting knob with the same diameter threaded
>> rod with two nuts and a lock washer on the end - about 12" in length.
>> I added a weighted slide (from Joe Goss - but any solid heavy sliding
>> weight would do) and voilà - now you have an impact removal tool.
>>
>> William R. Monroe
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Court Stewart <calexste at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello, all.  Long time lurker, first time poster here.
>>>
>>> I've got a customer whose old upright has some highly corroded  front
>>> rail pins (I suspect a spill of some sort is the cause --  the  corrosion is
>>> much worse in one area than the rest).  The keys  are in  dire need of
>>> rebushing, but first the old pins have got to  go -- the  corrosion is
>>> beyond polishing away and the pins are  pitted.  I tried  pulling one
>>> yesterday and just about threw my  back out.  After  trying different pliers
>>> and prying techniques I  decided to try  heating the pin up. After that, I
>>> was finally able  to yank the  sucker out.  But the pins are extremely
>>> tight, and  even with the  heating it was a tough go just to pull one.
>>>  Also,  it's pretty humid  here right now, though it gets worse.
>>>
>>> What are some favorite techniques to use in this situation?  I'm  not
>>> sure I'm up to doing this 87 more times and if anyone can help  it's  you
>>> guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer.
>>>
>>> Court Stewart
>>> Roanoke Chapter
>>>
>>
>>
>
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