[pianotech] Front rail pin extraction

William R. Monroe bill at a440piano.net
Tue Jul 14 13:49:43 MDT 2009


Yes Court, that is the idea. The more cylindrical the weight, the  
better - ideally something you can grip to make repeated impacts easier.

William R. Monroe, RPT
A440-William R. Monroe Piano Services, Inc.
314 E. Church St.
Belleville, WI 53508
608-215-3250
www.a440piano.net


On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Court Stewart <calexste at gmail.com> wrote:

> That was fast!
>
> Thanks so much to everyone who's commented.  I count at least 6  
> possible solutions, all tried and true.  What a valuable resource  
> this list is.
>
> Floyd:
> Those rivet installers look pretty cool -- I may pick up a pair just  
> to play with on the balance rail if nothing else.  Considering some  
> of the other tools I've gotten from Harbor Freight, I may pick up  
> two ;). Now I'm lusting a little after the Pianotek pin pulling  
> device -- I don't think I'd be able to justify its cost currently  
> but I can think of at least two jobs I could use it on.
>
> I didn't check the bottom of the rail to see if the pins were  
> protruding.  I did look under the balance rail to see if they had  
> been drilled through, but they weren't.
>
> William:
> The impact tool sounds ingenious.  Am I understanding correctly that  
> I would clamp the vise-grips on and then slide the weight quickly up  
> to the 2nd nut on the rod for the impact?  I've got a 5lb iron  
> dumbell plate in mind...
>
> David:
> My current piano wire pliers are probably not long enough for an  
> effective lever.  However, I've got some heavy duty crimping pliers  
> that would probably bite well and I'll take them and a dowel along  
> next trip.  Or I may take the excuse/opportunity to upgrade to the  
> fancier wire cutters.
>
> John:
> Thanks for the variation on the above :)
>
> Kerry:
> Another great solution.  Finally a job my hammer extractor can do  
> well!  Sounds like a poor man's version of the pianotek machine.  It  
> wouldn't be my choice for the entire job, but I can see where it  
> would definitely pull out even the tightest pins and it will be  
> accompanying me to the job as well.
>
> Joe:
> Thanks for your input too.
>
> I must say I left the job yesterday a bit discouraged and sore.  You  
> guys have brightened my mood considerably and somehow my back feels  
> a little better now as well.
>
> -Court Stewart
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com> wrote:
> The tip of the bolt would not go into the slot that pushes the  
> clamping lever on my vise grip and needed to be the same shape as  
> the original bolt. You may have used a larger vise grip plier.
>
> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Monroe" <bill at a440piano.net 
> >
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:00 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Front rail pin extraction
>
>
> Nope, no grinding required. Not sure I understand, though. I just
> bought threaded rod of the same size as the adjusting screw/bolt that
> I removed.
>
> William R. Monroe
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:14 AM, "Joe Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi William,
> Did you not have to grind off the threads of the new bolt to match   
> the old one?
> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Monroe" <bill at a440piano.net
> >
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Front rail pin extraction
>
>
> Court,
>
> I modified a pair of Vise-Grips for pulling sundry tight "thingies."
> I replaced the original adjusting knob with the same diameter threaded
> rod with two nuts and a lock washer on the end - about 12" in length.
> I added a weighted slide (from Joe Goss - but any solid heavy sliding
> weight would do) and voilà - now you have an impact removal tool.
>
> William R. Monroe
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Court Stewart <calexste at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello, all.  Long time lurker, first time poster here.
>
> I've got a customer whose old upright has some highly corroded   
> front rail pins (I suspect a spill of some sort is the cause --   
> the  corrosion is much worse in one area than the rest).  The keys   
> are in  dire need of rebushing, but first the old pins have got to   
> go -- the  corrosion is beyond polishing away and the pins are   
> pitted.  I tried  pulling one yesterday and just about threw my   
> back out.  After  trying different pliers and prying techniques I   
> decided to try  heating the pin up. After that, I was finally able   
> to yank the  sucker out.  But the pins are extremely tight, and   
> even with the  heating it was a tough go just to pull one.  Also,   
> it's pretty humid  here right now, though it gets worse.
>
> What are some favorite techniques to use in this situation?  I'm   
> not sure I'm up to doing this 87 more times and if anyone can help   
> it's  you guys.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer.
>
> Court Stewart
> Roanoke Chapter
>
>
>
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