[pianotech] slow paying customers revisited

Shawn Brock shawnbrock at fuse.net
Fri Mar 6 12:05:18 PST 2009


Patrick,

I'm with you 100 percent and some how I have kept myself under control when I have called these people.  I try not to call to often.  Usually after 2 calls each placed a week apart,, and after the payment has been 10 days or more over due they seem to respond an pay up.  If I had a lot of time on my hands I would probably consider taking them to small claims, just to get the point across.  How ever I don't have the time or that much longing for revenge.  I do think that if I didn't make the past due calls that I probably wouldn't get paid though.  I let an invoice go until it was 43 days over due with one of the churches just to see when or if they would pay up.  After 43 days I had enough though and called to remind them.  So...  I guess we will see what happens this time.  I am going to stick to what I said about the price change though.  If they don't like it they can always get someone different to tune for them.  

Regards,
Shawn Brock, RPT
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J Patrick Draine 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited


  James,
  While I don't agree with the notion that any particular "$XXX is overpriced" statement makes a lot of sense, given the  many variables of current economic conditions, geographic and cost of living variables, expertise, etc. --  your suggestion that "Too much price fluctuation confuses clients" hits the target bullseye. 
  I do not offer institutional discounts; payment within 30 days is great but can't be depended upon.
  Punitive pricing -- "you're always late with the check" -- doesn't go over very well. 
  Shawn, If the client is running past that, one can make a practice of "keeping in touch" with the responsible parties and casually remind them that you haven't yet received payment, but you don't want to project too much nervous irritated energy at your client.
  But hey, this is indeed an appropriate place to "blow off some steam" when these things happen.
  Patrick Draine


  On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Pianoman <pianoman at accessus.net> wrote:

    $120 seems over priced.  Are you going to price your self out of a job?  Too much price fluctuation confuses clients.
    James
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    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Magness" <IFixPianos at yahoo.com>
    To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
    Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:44 PM

    Subject: Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited



      On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net> wrote:


         Thanks to everyone who responded to my ramblings.  I am combining your
        thoughts for my solution.  I have decided that I will stop giving the
        multiple piano discount to each of these churches.  I was charging $110 for
        the first tuning and $100 for each tuning after that.  I know $10 don't seem
        like much of a discount, but sense they each have 5 pianos I was taking $40
        off the bill and to me that's a decent discount...  So that's the first
        thing I'm going to do.  My next solution is to charge $120 per tuning if I'm
        not going to be paid on the date that services are rendered.  I understand
        that some large churches do have to jump through hoops to get a check out to
        a contractor but these people are just taking advantage of me.  In each of
        the 2 churches the music director makes the appointment and he also has the
        ability to sign a check.  In addition to this fact keep in mind each time I
        have turned in my invoice to the music director.  I always get the same
        words from each of these guys, "I'll have this in the mail to you in a day
        or two."  The day or two always turns into more than thirty days.  Some
        times it has been 2 months!  To me that's just B-S and making more on the
        job or not performing the work is the only way  it can be handled.

        Thanks again,
        Shawn Brock RPT

        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* wimblees at aol.com
        *To:* pianotech at ptg.org
        *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:09 PM
        *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited

        Shawn.

        With a big church, it usually not just one or two people who are involved
        in getting bills paid. Bills have to be approved the appropriate person,
        (choir director), then sent to the finance committee, which meets once a
        month, then the accountant, who approves the disbursement, and then finally
        to the person who actually writes the check. Once the check has been
        printed, it needs to be signed by the accountant, or treasurer, and maybe
        even counter signed. All that takes time, and, as you indicated, if any one
        of those people are sick or out of town, it further delays the process.

        Two suggestions. One, talk to the choir director, or music chairman, tell
        him/her your concern, and ask for his/her recommendation on how to get paid
        faster.
        Two, Put on the bill that if it is paid within 14/30 day, they will get a
        10% discount. Or the other way around, say that interest at 18% will be
        added to bill if it is paid after 30 days. If they don't pay the extra, add
        it to the next bill. You can either itemize the bill, and put on it,
        "balance carried forward", or if you give them a discount for multiple
        pianos, don't give them the discount the next time you tune for them.

        As far as last minute tunings, add 25% to the tuning bill for "emergency
        service." They will either remember to call you sooner, or you'll get paid
        extra for going out of your way.

        Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
        Piano Tuner/Technician
        Mililani, Oahu, HI
        808-349-2943
        Author of:
        The Business of Piano Tuning
        available from Potter Press
        www.pianotuning.com


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net>
        To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
        Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 4:28 am
        Subject: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited

         List,

        I know we had a thread going not long ago on slow paying customers and last
        year I had complained a little about some of the churches I serve.  I have
        some
        questions that I would like to gather some answers for and some statements
        that may or may not be out of line (you tell me.)  First: how long do you
        give
        commercial/institutional/church customers to pay the balance for your
        services?  For most of these types of account I have been giving 14 days
        from the
        date of service to the date of payment due.  That seems more than
        reasonable to me, after all the phone company and other utilities don't give
        you that
        much time from when you receive the bill to the due date.  Perhaps I'm
        being unreasonable though?  I have 2 churches that are my slowest paying
        customers,
        and they are maybe the richest churches I work for.  Each has 5 pianos that
        get regular service and both are slow paying.  Its funny...  It seems that
        the people with the least amount of money are the first to pay, I find that
        those folks are the ones who have a check waiting on the date of the
        appointment...
         So back to the topic at hand.  I had cut the slow payers back to a 10 day
        due date or a "payment due on date of service" instead of the 14 days I had
        been giving them.  That hasn't seemed
        to help!  Each time I work for them it never fails that I have to make
        numerous phone calls to get my money.  They both have a long list of excuses
        that
        they run through (the accountant is on vacation, the accountant is sick, we
        misplaced the invoice, we thought we had 30 days, a check should have been
        in the mail to you, I will have to check with someone and get back with
        you) and so on.  I could have understood this once or even more, but this is
        every time I deal with these people and I'm sick of it!  These 2 churches
        were served in a 2 day period and now they are both past due by more than a
        week.  I wouldn't be as quick to complain but we are talking over $1000 that
        is due to me and I could use it.  Last I checked I still have bills to pay.
        So what's the answer?  Maybe I should charge more and give them a discount
        if they pay on time?  Or is that to complicated?  Maybe I should just stop
        working for them?  Damn!  I'm sorry but when it takes people more than 30
        days to pay that seems a little excessive to me.  Its not like these people
        even have to pay taxes...  One thing that fuels my fire is these are the
        same people who will call you and want you to come out to tune for a concert
        the same day, or the next day.  They new about the concert months ago but
        didn't have the foresight to schedule the tuning.  And then...  They show
        you gratitude by paying in a month and a half!  "We need you now and we will
        pay you when ever we want."  Well, that's how it seems any how.  Come on
        people and share your wisdom with me.  I could use it...  After all we are
        not just talking about $1000 which is in my opinion still a substantial
        amount of money.  We are talking about 2 days worth of work and we are also
        talking about principles.  If they couldn't afford to pay it would be
        different but at a glance you know that you are just getting kicked around.
        All comments and ideas are appreciated.

        Regards,
        Shawn Brock, RPT


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      I solved this years ago, I thought by printing on my invoices that 1&1/2%
      interest begins after 30 days and continues monthly until paid.
      Last year I collected on a 3 tuning job along with a year's interest!! I
      guess I didn't solve it after all.
      Schools just ignore it entirely and pay when they get around to it. Most
      others are reasonably timely and I've grown more patient over the years,
      deciding to consider checks that finally arrive in my mailbox as "found"
      money! (grin)

      Mike
      -- 
      I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
      Steven Wright


      Michael Magness
      Magness Piano Service
      608-786-4404
      www.IFixPianos.com
      email mike at ifixpianos.com







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