[pianotech] slow paying customers revisited

Paul T Williams pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu
Fri Mar 6 16:01:29 PST 2009


I don't think $120 is overpriced at all...Especially if you have to wait 
for the bill to be paid.  I had churches who paid on the spot, therefore 
gave them good deals....the ones I knew that would take 1-2-3 months would 
get a higher priced bill. 3 years ago in Seattle, I charged $85-90 for a 
regular tuning...which I found out later after getting here to Nebraska, I 
was cheap!!  That's what they charge here in NE!!  Being full time at UNL, 
if somebody wants a tuning from me, I charge, now, substantially more than 
the going rate, unless they work for UNL. I also request payment upon 
completion of the job.  I'm not in the mood to mess around with people who 
either won't pay on time or postpone payment. I guess it's a comfort thing 
having a paycheck every two weeks.  One of the last things I want to do 
after work is tune another piano....so I make my price pretty high...then 
it's worth it. I should have charged more all along! ( I was verrry 
nice...too nice... It cost me my living in Washington!  No kidding!)

In a very broad sense of the term "broke", the people who have a 
$40-50,000(or more) car are probably broke(unless it's paid 
for!)...impressing people they don't even know,.... have a house they 
can't afford(again impressing people they don't know),.... and have 
$50,000 or more in credit card bills and $100,000 in student loans and/or 
an IRS bill.  Of course they don't have $120!!!!  They look nice, smell 
nice, have  nice piano, but .....they're broke! 

Looks are soooooo misrepresentative of where people really are in reality. 
 

I hope I didn't step on any toes out there, but we, in general, live way 
beyond our means....That's why $120 sounds hard to come by for a simple 
piano tuning.  We technicians should be paid what we're worth!  If an 
electrician comes to our home, fixes a couple simple things, there for an 
hour and hands us a bill for $120-200, then that's what we should expect 
to receive for our services as well.  ALL of us could probably be an 
electrician, BUT..way  less than 5% of any electrician could ever be an 
RPT!!!! We can now charge $150 per tuning...I give you all my blessing 
<g>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amen.

There....My Friday rant.!!! (I'm feeling under-paid if you can't tell!)

Paul
 



"Shawn Brock" <shawnbrock at fuse.net> 
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James,

 thanks for letting me know what you think.  If a customer can't 
understand
that they have to pay bills on time like the rest of the world I don't 
care
if they call a different technician.  I have lots of other business from
people who pay on time.  If other technicians don't mind dealing with 
people 
who take 1.5/2 months to pay that's okay with me.  Its not going to happen 

with me anymore though.  You have a place where the Minister drives a car 
that would cost over $40000 and an institution that don't have to pay 
taxes 
and they are located in one of the most prosperous neighborhoods in town 
but 
they can't pay me?  I don't know how upping my prices with them would 
cause 
confusion...  Its all about what the traffic will bare I say...  Some 
tuners 
are charging $120, so I wouldn't be going above fare market value by 
adding 
$10 per piano for these people.  After all the long short is that I don't 
care if they feel like parting with me, I just want to be paid on time.  I 

don't know why some technicians will let churches jerk them around but I'm 

not going to be one of them.  Yesterday I had the plumber come over and he 

left a bill that was due in 10 days.  Today I sent the check out and the 
company will get it tomorrow, what's so hard about that?  My electric 
company won't let me go with out paying for 2 months...  So, why should I 
put up with any less?

Shawn Brock, RPT
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pianoman" <pianoman at accessus.net>
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited


> $120 seems over priced.  Are you going to price your self out of a job? 
> Too much price fluctuation confuses clients.
> James
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Magness" <IFixPianos at yahoo.com>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited
>
>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net> 
wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks to everyone who responded to my ramblings.  I am combining 
your
>>> thoughts for my solution.  I have decided that I will stop giving the
>>> multiple piano discount to each of these churches.  I was charging 
$110 
>>> for
>>> the first tuning and $100 for each tuning after that.  I know $10 
don't 
>>> seem
>>> like much of a discount, but sense they each have 5 pianos I was 
taking 
>>> $40
>>> off the bill and to me that's a decent discount...  So that's the 
first
>>> thing I'm going to do.  My next solution is to charge $120 per tuning 
if 
>>> I'm
>>> not going to be paid on the date that services are rendered.  I 
>>> understand
>>> that some large churches do have to jump through hoops to get a check 
>>> out to
>>> a contractor but these people are just taking advantage of me.  In 
each 
>>> of
>>> the 2 churches the music director makes the appointment and he also 
has 
>>> the
>>> ability to sign a check.  In addition to this fact keep in mind each 
>>> time I
>>> have turned in my invoice to the music director.  I always get the 
same
>>> words from each of these guys, "I'll have this in the mail to you in a 

>>> day
>>> or two."  The day or two always turns into more than thirty days. Some
>>> times it has been 2 months!  To me that's just B-S and making more on 
>>> the
>>> job or not performing the work is the only way  it can be handled.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Shawn Brock RPT
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* wimblees at aol.com
>>> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:09 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited
>>>
>>> Shawn.
>>>
>>> With a big church, it usually not just one or two people who are 
>>> involved
>>> in getting bills paid. Bills have to be approved the appropriate 
person,
>>> (choir director), then sent to the finance committee, which meets once 
a
>>> month, then the accountant, who approves the disbursement, and then 
>>> finally
>>> to the person who actually writes the check. Once the check has been
>>> printed, it needs to be signed by the accountant, or treasurer, and 
>>> maybe
>>> even counter signed. All that takes time, and, as you indicated, if 
any 
>>> one
>>> of those people are sick or out of town, it further delays the 
process.
>>>
>>> Two suggestions. One, talk to the choir director, or music chairman, 
>>> tell
>>> him/her your concern, and ask for his/her recommendation on how to get 

>>> paid
>>> faster.
>>> Two, Put on the bill that if it is paid within 14/30 day, they will 
get 
>>> a
>>> 10% discount. Or the other way around, say that interest at 18% will 
be
>>> added to bill if it is paid after 30 days. If they don't pay the 
extra, 
>>> add
>>> it to the next bill. You can either itemize the bill, and put on it,
>>> "balance carried forward", or if you give them a discount for multiple
>>> pianos, don't give them the discount the next time you tune for them.
>>>
>>> As far as last minute tunings, add 25% to the tuning bill for 
"emergency
>>> service." They will either remember to call you sooner, or you'll get 
>>> paid
>>> extra for going out of your way.
>>>
>>> Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
>>> Piano Tuner/Technician
>>> Mililani, Oahu, HI
>>> 808-349-2943
>>> Author of:
>>> The Business of Piano Tuning
>>> available from Potter Press
>>> www.pianotuning.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net>
>>> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 4:28 am
>>> Subject: [pianotech] slow paying customers revisited
>>>
>>>  List,
>>>
>>> I know we had a thread going not long ago on slow paying customers and 

>>> last
>>> year I had complained a little about some of the churches I serve.  I 
>>> have
>>> some
>>> questions that I would like to gather some answers for and some 
>>> statements
>>> that may or may not be out of line (you tell me.)  First: how long do 
>>> you
>>> give
>>> commercial/institutional/church customers to pay the balance for your
>>> services?  For most of these types of account I have been giving 14 
days
>>> from the
>>> date of service to the date of payment due.  That seems more than
>>> reasonable to me, after all the phone company and other utilities 
don't 
>>> give
>>> you that
>>> much time from when you receive the bill to the due date.  Perhaps I'm
>>> being unreasonable though?  I have 2 churches that are my slowest 
paying
>>> customers,
>>> and they are maybe the richest churches I work for.  Each has 5 pianos 

>>> that
>>> get regular service and both are slow paying.  Its funny...  It seems 
>>> that
>>> the people with the least amount of money are the first to pay, I find 

>>> that
>>> those folks are the ones who have a check waiting on the date of the
>>> appointment...
>>>  So back to the topic at hand.  I had cut the slow payers back to a 10 

>>> day
>>> due date or a "payment due on date of service" instead of the 14 days 
I 
>>> had
>>> been giving them.  That hasn't seemed
>>> to help!  Each time I work for them it never fails that I have to make
>>> numerous phone calls to get my money.  They both have a long list of 
>>> excuses
>>> that
>>> they run through (the accountant is on vacation, the accountant is 
sick, 
>>> we
>>> misplaced the invoice, we thought we had 30 days, a check should have 
>>> been
>>> in the mail to you, I will have to check with someone and get back 
with
>>> you) and so on.  I could have understood this once or even more, but 
>>> this is
>>> every time I deal with these people and I'm sick of it!  These 2 
>>> churches
>>> were served in a 2 day period and now they are both past due by more 
>>> than a
>>> week.  I wouldn't be as quick to complain but we are talking over 
$1000 
>>> that
>>> is due to me and I could use it.  Last I checked I still have bills to 

>>> pay.
>>> So what's the answer?  Maybe I should charge more and give them a 
>>> discount
>>> if they pay on time?  Or is that to complicated?  Maybe I should just 
>>> stop
>>> working for them?  Damn!  I'm sorry but when it takes people more than 

>>> 30
>>> days to pay that seems a little excessive to me.  Its not like these 
>>> people
>>> even have to pay taxes...  One thing that fuels my fire is these are 
the
>>> same people who will call you and want you to come out to tune for a 
>>> concert
>>> the same day, or the next day.  They new about the concert months ago 
>>> but
>>> didn't have the foresight to schedule the tuning.  And then...  They 
>>> show
>>> you gratitude by paying in a month and a half!  "We need you now and 
we 
>>> will
>>> pay you when ever we want."  Well, that's how it seems any how.  Come 
on
>>> people and share your wisdom with me.  I could use it...  After all we 

>>> are
>>> not just talking about $1000 which is in my opinion still a 
substantial
>>> amount of money.  We are talking about 2 days worth of work and we are 

>>> also
>>> talking about principles.  If they couldn't afford to pay it would be
>>> different but at a glance you know that you are just getting kicked 
>>> around.
>>> All comments and ideas are appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn Brock, RPT
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> I solved this years ago, I thought by printing on my invoices that 
1&1/2%
>> interest begins after 30 days and continues monthly until paid.
>> Last year I collected on a 3 tuning job along with a year's interest!! 
I
>> guess I didn't solve it after all.
>> Schools just ignore it entirely and pay when they get around to it. 
Most
>> others are reasonably timely and I've grown more patient over the 
years,
>> deciding to consider checks that finally arrive in my mailbox as 
"found"
>> money! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>> -- 
>> I intend to live forever. So far, so good.
>> Steven Wright
>>
>>
>> Michael Magness
>> Magness Piano Service
>> 608-786-4404
>> www.IFixPianos.com
>> email mike at ifixpianos.com
>>
>
>
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