[pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 13, Issue 32

robert wall robertemmett.w at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 10:52:49 MST 2009


She sould have had her congressman deal with the cusoms agent.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:59 PM, <pianotech-request at ptg.org> wrote:

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>   1. H1N1 (Bruce Dornfeld)
>   2. Re: H1N1 (David Love)
>   3. Re: shipping piano overseas with ivory keys
>      (Duaine & Laura Hechler)
>   4. Re: shipping piano overseas with ivory keys (Gerald Groot)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:18:35 -0600
> From: "Bruce Dornfeld" <bdornfeld at earthlink.net>
> To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: [pianotech] H1N1
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> David Love says:
>
> Not exactly.  Alcohol based hand sanitizers can be effective against
> viruses
> depending on the alcohol content and the amount used.  While it may not be
> as good as vigorous hand washing it is certainly better than nothing and I
> wouldn't hesitate to use them.  Not using them because they provide a false
> security seems counterproductive.  All hand sanitizers need to be rubbed in
> until the hands are dry.  There won't be any fire hazard then.  Viruses
> actually can live longer on non porous surfaces such as plastic whether
> they
> are clean or not.  They can typically live on your hands up to about an
> hour
> and under the best of circumstances can live on outside the body for up to
>
> 48 hours.  Lots of reading available on this subject.
>
>
>
> Well David, I have to say most experts agree with you on hand sanitizers
> and
> viruses, H1N1 or others.  On the other hand the only scientific studies I
> saw referred to were ones sponsored or released by companies making hand
> sanitizers.  CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta says, "There are not a lot of data
> actually on how effective those sanitizers are against viruses. There have
> been some studies done over the years and the conclusion is washing your
> hands with soap and water is still probably the best idea. If you are
> having
> a busy day and it is hard to get to a sink, then carrying a bottle of hand
> sanitizer would be a good idea."
>
> I should explain my thoughts better. A bottle of sanitizer that has been
> sitting around a while or is more empty than full may not have the alcohol
> content that is recommended.  Even if it is extremely effective though, if
> you rub your eyes or nose with your fingers while working on a piano, you
> could be infecting yourself.  It is not easy to so self aware while working
> that you can stop this kind of touching, but that is what I am aiming for.
> To put it another way, even if you kill viruses with hand sanitizer before
> and after each piano, hands to the face while you are working on a piano
> can
> still get you.  That is why I consider it false security.  I think it would
> be better for us to kills the viruses on the keys.  Here again, you are
> correct.  The virus can live on a hard surface like plastic for some time,
> Cory Key Brite will not kill them.  Does anyone use something like Lysol
> Disinfectant spray on piano keys?  That stuff is supposed to be 99%
> effective within thirty seconds.  That would really make the keys safe and
> school jobs would not be as potentially dangerous.  I worry about what it
> might do to the keys though.
>
>
>
> Bruce Dornfeld, RPT
>
> bdornfeld at earthlink.net
>
> North Shore Chapter
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:36:39 -0800
> From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] H1N1
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> Washing is better but in a pinch I'd use the hand sanitizer and keep my
> hands away from my face anyway.  BTW those suggestions about running salt
> water through your nose and gargling seems to be a waste of time according
> to all the doctors I know.  Unless you are lucky enough to do it
> immediately
> after exposure (and even then) probably useless.  Might even be
> counterproductive if what you run through your nose actually irritates the
> mucous membranes making them more susceptible to infection.
>
>
>
> David Love
>
> www.davidlovepianos.com
>
>
>
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Bruce Dornfeld
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:19 PM
> To: pianotech
> Subject: [pianotech] H1N1
>
>
>
> David Love says:
>
> Not exactly.  Alcohol based hand sanitizers can be effective against
> viruses
> depending on the alcohol content and the amount used.  While it may not be
> as good as vigorous hand washing it is certainly better than nothing and I
> wouldn't hesitate to use them.  Not using them because they provide a false
> security seems counterproductive.  All hand sanitizers need to be rubbed in
> until the hands are dry.  There won't be any fire hazard then.  Viruses
> actually can live longer on non porous surfaces such as plastic whether
> they
> are clean or not.  They can typically live on your hands up to about an
> hour
> and under the best of circumstances can live on outside the body for up to
>
> 48 hours.  Lots of reading available on this subject.
>
>
>
> Well David, I have to say most experts agree with you on hand sanitizers
> and
> viruses, H1N1 or others.  On the other hand the only scientific studies I
> saw referred to were ones sponsored or released by companies making hand
> sanitizers.  CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta says, "There are not a lot of data
> actually on how effective those sanitizers are against viruses. There have
> been some studies done over the years and the conclusion is washing your
> hands with soap and water is still probably the best idea. If you are
> having
> a busy day and it is hard to get to a sink, then carrying a bottle of hand
> sanitizer would be a good idea."
>
> I should explain my thoughts better. A bottle of sanitizer that has been
> sitting around a while or is more empty than full may not have the alcohol
> content that is recommended.  Even if it is extremely effective though, if
> you rub your eyes or nose with your fingers while working on a piano, you
> could be infecting yourself.  It is not easy to so self aware while working
> that you can stop this kind of touching, but that is what I am aiming for.
> To put it another way, even if you kill viruses with hand sanitizer before
> and after each piano, hands to the face while you are working on a piano
> can
> still get you.  That is why I consider it false security.  I think it would
> be better for us to kills the viruses on the keys.  Here again, you are
> correct.  The virus can live on a hard surface like plastic for some time,
> Cory Key Brite will not kill them.  Does anyone use something like Lysol
> Disinfectant spray on piano keys?  That stuff is supposed to be 99%
> effective within thirty seconds.  That would really make the keys safe and
> school jobs would not be as potentially dangerous.  I worry about what it
> might do to the keys though.
>
>
>
> Bruce Dornfeld, RPT
>
> bdornfeld at earthlink.net
>
> North Shore Chapter
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:49:00 -0600
> From: Duaine & Laura Hechler <dahechler at att.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys
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> David Ilvedson wrote:
> > What is situation with ivory keys on an old piano going to a new home
> > in New Zealand?
> >
> > David Ilvedson, RPT
> > Pacifica, CA 94044
> I am not really sure - today.
>
> About a year ago, I had a customer that was moving to Canada. The
> shipping and the moving companies told them that the ivory would have to
> have stripped off. Move the piano then - replace - the ivory keys - NOT
> the ones you just stripped off, but replacement ivory keys gotten from
> Canada (or in your case New Zealand.)
>
> I suppose if you had the guts, to pack the stripped off keys in a
> luggage bag and take it with you on the plane. (Oops, did I say that -
> (I just slapped myself))
>
> A real pain in the ass !
>
> Thankfully, her piano had the old Ivorine keys.
>
> Duaine
>
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> Duaine Hechler
> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
> Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> Reed Organ Society Member
> Florissant, MO 63034
> (314) 838-5587
> dahechler at att.net
> www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:59:37 -0500
> From: "Gerald Groot" <tunerboy3 at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys
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> I had a customer many years back, my dad did actually, that shipped her
> Bosendorfer overseas someplace with the original ivories on it.  One day,
> she decided she wanted to come back into America again.  Before she was
> allowed back in, customs insisted that the ivory be removed.  Even though
> they were told it was the original ivories, that did not matter to them.
> They said, how are we to know it wasn't shipped overseas and then put on?
> She wound up having them removed in order to get back here again.  Our
> Government at its best as usual.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Duaine & Laura Hechler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:49 PM
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys
>
> David Ilvedson wrote:
> > What is situation with ivory keys on an old piano going to a new home
> > in New Zealand?
> >
> > David Ilvedson, RPT
> > Pacifica, CA 94044
> I am not really sure - today.
>
> About a year ago, I had a customer that was moving to Canada. The
> shipping and the moving companies told them that the ivory would have to
> have stripped off. Move the piano then - replace - the ivory keys - NOT
> the ones you just stripped off, but replacement ivory keys gotten from
> Canada (or in your case New Zealand.)
>
> I suppose if you had the guts, to pack the stripped off keys in a
> luggage bag and take it with you on the plane. (Oops, did I say that -
> (I just slapped myself))
>
> A real pain in the ass !
>
> Thankfully, her piano had the old Ivorine keys.
>
> Duaine
>
> --
> Duaine Hechler
> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
> Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding
> Reed Organ Society Member
> Florissant, MO 63034
> (314) 838-5587
> dahechler at att.net
> www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com
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> Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years
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