[pianotech] Kimball Console Action Holddown Screws

Gerald Groot tunerboy3 at comcast.net
Sun Nov 15 20:05:36 MST 2009


Exactly which is why I suggested a good solid head for the power tool.
Stupidity, carelessness or the wrong sized bits during usage is what causes
messed up heads.  Use the right sized screw driver or bit for the screw
slot.  

If the screw heads are stripped badly, I wouldn't bother putting them in
again for the next person.  That next person just might be YOU.  Replace
them if possible.  Might be a bit of a pain to do it but, for the most part,
those screws are the same width so carry some along with you.  There are
plenty of them out there to work on.  You can have them all if you want?
:-)

-----Original Message----- 
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Nossaman 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:05 PM 
To: pianotech at ptg.org 
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Kimball Console Action Holddown Screws 

John Ross wrote: 
> I thought I had read that the heads were slightly damaged. 
> But then again, I have had mis-thoughts before. :-( 
> Sometimes, I have just managed to get a damaged screw out, and it goes
back 
> in fine, because, I am bearing against, the undamaged part of the screw. 

I've found that the damage was done in the driving, spinning 
the bit in the head with a power tool, so getting it back in 
(and seated) will likely be harder than getting it out. If 
lubricating it will allow it to go back in by hand, it'll 
likely come back out at least as easily - someday. 


 >I 
> am thinking of mainly Phillips. But the next guy/gal might have a problem,

> trying to remove them. 

Yes, they're Phillips. It's tough to spin a bit in a slotted 
or Robertson screw to the point that they're hard to remove. A 
large part of the problem removing them is that they were 
installed so bloody tight that the bit spun in the head in the 
first place. Hence the lubrication. If that doesn't make it 
possible, then you replace them at whatever expense is incurred. 


> Naturally, if the head were undamaged, I would lubricate and replace. 
> Sometimes a damaged head can be made better with a hacksaw or file. 

There's no such thing as an undamaged Kimball screw. It's like 
Nessie or Elvis sightings. The point is, how perfect does the 
head have to be to get the screw back in or out the VERY few 
times this will be necessary in the piano's lifetime? If 
lubrication will enable this with the existing screw, why 
spend the customer's money for chasing down replacement screws 
that won't do anything the originals don't? 

I seem to be in an extremely narrow minority here. 
Ron N 



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