The Piano Horse from Paul Jansen or make something like that...you know that idea, I believe was originated on this List years ago...? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Anderson" <anrebe at gmail.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 11/25/2009 5:31:54 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage >Will, >On all the pianos I carry, there is a steel beam going across the >keybed to stabilize it. In fact on some of them the lyre is mounted >to the steel box beam. I do think that an alternative might be >satisfactory and have thought of building something of 2x and plywood >but have hesitated on how to mount it temporarily without making >additional marks on the underside of the keybed. I've moved without >the lyre but comparatively it is quite difficult. >Andrew >On Nov 25, 2009, at 3:15 AM, William Truitt wrote: >> To me, the picture just seems to offer visual evidence of why we >> should not take the bass leg off and set the piano on the lyre in >> the first place, when there are other and better ways to do it. >> Like making a couple of blocks so that the skid board will be >> setting just about the top of the dolly, and setting the bass side >> down on it after you have first removed the lyre and then the bass >> leg. Much easier and safer to set the piano on the dolly that way, >> as you have only to tilt down one end of the skid board to be able >> to remove the first block, then lever up the other end to remove the >> second block. Or even make a temporary support leg that sits a >> little tall so that you can safely and easily take the lyre and bass >> leg off before setting the piano on its side. >> >> I don’t think anyone has mentioned it, but I have concerns about the >> keybed. I’ve regulated more grands of all vintages than I could >> count. And while leveling keys, you of course check the bedding of >> the keybed. So often we see keybeds that are bowed up on the >> middle. I don’t think keybeds were designed to carry the weight of >> the piano, particularly on lighter and less expensive grands. Think >> about it: the ends of the keybed are very well supported by the >> rim, which in effect serves as a beam there making that area quite >> strong. There is no such support in the middle of the keybed where >> the piano is being set down on the lyre. Let’s think about a 1200 >> lb concert grand for a moment. How much weight is being carried by >> the keybed if one sets the piano on the lyre after removing the bass >> leg? And considerably more as we are tipping the piano on its >> side? 6, 7, 800 lbs.? I’m no physicist, but it just seems like an >> awful lot of stress for the keybed to carry, never mind the poor >> stinkin’ lyre. >> >> I have never allowed any of my movers to set the piano on the lyre >> in all the years I have had pianos moved. They manage just fine >> without it. >> >> It’s not a bad lyre, it’s a bad idea and bad technique to move >> pianos this way. >> >> That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it J. >> >> Will Truitt >> >> >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of Greg Newell >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:02 AM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage >> >> Yeah but you still roll the corner of the bottom corner of the lyre. >> I know, I know. You personally never do. >> >> Greg Newell >> Greg's Piano Forté >> www.gregspianoforte.com >> 216-226-3791 (office) >> 216-470-8634 (mobile) >> http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd >> >> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] >> On Behalf Of Andrew Anderson >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:02 PM >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:01 PM, David Stocker >> wrote:<image001.jpg><image002.jpg> >> >> >> Picture, please? >> >> Dave Stocker, RPT >> Tumwater, WA >> >> From: Andrew Anderson >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 18:36 >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage >> >> I always use a lyre brace since a brand new chinese one broke its >> lyre when I was tipping. No problems since. >> >> You can by one from QRS or you can make your own. >> >> length of steel electrical conduit >> length of all-thread that just fits inside >> a matching nut and washer >> a length of 2x2 >> self adhesive felt lamp bottom covers >> some type of flexible adhesive like PL400 >> >> cut the 2x2 into two reasonable lengths and drill one corner to >> accept conduit/all-thread and adhesive >> apply the self adhesive felt to the business sides of the 2x2s and >> you have an adjustable brace. >> >> Andrew Anderson >> >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:42 PM, JWyatt1492 at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Hello Garrett, >> >> I never tip a Oriental Grand Piano on the Lyre. >> I tip all American Pianos except one, that being >> the H.C.Bay. >> >> Weak wood is always weak wood. >> I have repaired too many pedal Lyres. >> >> >> Regards >> Jack Wyatt >> >>
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