Yep... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Israel Stein" <custos3 at comcast.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 11/29/2009 12:15:16 PM Subject: [pianotech] Oversized tuning pins >Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:33:55 -0800 "David Ilvedson" <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >wrote: >> >> Going up 2 sizes..."just to be on the safe side"...'-[ >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> >David and all, >The irony is that there are places and conditions where going up 2 sizes >is pretty much standard procedure. All the years that I lived and worked >in Boston, that's what we did whenever restringing a piano without >replacing the pinblock. The climate there and the prevalence of >forced-air heating in New England homes beat those pinblocks up so badly >that if you only went up one size, you would have loose tuning pins >within a year or two of restringing (if not sooner). Now that I am >living and working in Northern California, often the block is still >perfectly fine when the strings are shot (as often happens in pianos >that live close to the ocean or in the fog belt). Even going up one >size can often result in overly tight tuning pins. So one size increase >is the maximum I dare do here - and often enough restringing with the >old pins (using a dummy pin for making coils) yields perfectly fine >tuning pin torque. >The point is that one should not blindly follow some set procedure, but >assess the conditions and determine tuning pin size accordingly. >Israel Stein >> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- >> From: "Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft" <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Received: 11/29/2009 8:31:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Oversized tuning pins >> >> >> >>> Scott, >>> >> >> >>> Yes, that's one of the possible causes, but there are others. >>> Removing the old pins and creating to much heat (burning the hole). New >>> tuning pins to large. And I'm sure there are hacks out there that can screw >>> it up in other ways. >>> >> >> >>> Al >>> >> >> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Scott Helms, RPT" <tuner at helmsmusic.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:05 AM >>> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> >>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Oversized tuning pins >>> >> >> >>>> I have been told that the reason restrung pianos have this issue is that >>>> whoever restrung it didn't ream the holes in the pinblock before driving >>>> in the new pins. Does anybody know if that's true? Just curious. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> ------ >>>> Scott A. Helms, Registered Piano Technician >>>> 480-818-3871 >>>> www.helmsmusic.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Actually, I had a situation like this 6 or 7 years ago on a restrung >>>>> Steinway O that was completely untunable. I did the basically same thing >>>>> except I lowered tension, popped out the beckets and backed all the pins >>>>> out with a drill. Then replaced the beckets and drove the pins down to >>>>> their original height. They all tuned very nicely afterwards and it only >>>>> took about 4 hours total. Of course there was a follow up tuning later >>>>> in the week.... >>>>> >>>>> --Dave >>>>> New Orleans >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Ilvedson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, that has never worked for me...but then I didn't do it for 7 >>>>>> hours! Jeez... >>>>>> >>>>>> David Ilvedson, RPT >>>>>> Pacifica, CA 94044 >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Leslie Bartlett" <l-bartlett at sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org >>>>>> Received: 11/27/2009 7:21:45 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Oversized tuning pins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a church client which (who?) purchased a 9-foot Shigeru, and two >>>>>>> Estonias. One of the Estonias was so bad that every pin popped, and I >>>>>>> finally told them it was un-tunable. Short story.... I told them I >>>>>>> thought >>>>>>> I could fix it, so called the guys from whom they got it and was to >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> shot. Seven hours later jerking pins back and forth, there were only >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> two pins popping and the rest just quite tight. >>>>>>> les Bartlett Piano Service
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