Terry: I think you're misunderstanding where the problem lies. The part of the leg assembly that attaches to the keybed is drilled with a large hole. The actual leg (vertical part) has either a dowel or is turned on a lathe to make a dowel-like plug on the end to fit the drilled hole. The dowel has a slot cut along its length for a wedge. The lower part of the leg, as you describe, isn't "loose" in itself, but the joint (dowel in the hole) is. It is quite common for this joint to fail, as I have repaired many of them. I have seen legs to poorly made that there is a huge gap between the hole and the dowel, and no wedge is going to spread the dowel anywhere near enough. The fit between the hole and the dowel should not be loose, or the joint will eventually fail because there will be movement at the bottom of the dowel as it enters the leg. Normally I use epoxy to repair these because normal wood glues aren't suited well when the two wood surfaces have gaps, as is the case here. In addition, getting rid of the old glue in there is troublesome, and if you don't remove it, new wood glue won't adhere properly and the joint will eventually fail. My $.02. Paul McCloud San Dieg0 From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Farrell Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:59 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Steinway Leg repair The Steinway legs are assembled with a large, (approx. 1 1/4 inch) dowel between the leg and the plinth,(top part). Hi Ed. I'm obviously bored today - I hope you can bear with me scrutinizing all these posts. What do you mean by the "top part". A plinth is a base of a cabinet. Are you talking about the top of the leg - Phil's leg is loose at the bottom. The dowel will have a wedge driven down into a slot, expanding the dowel in the hole of the plinth. You will usually damage the parts if the wedge is not removed prior to disassembly. Makes sense - just like the dowels in many/most lyres. The most effective repair is to drill out the wedge with a series of small, (1/8") holes, and then hammer the dowel and leg out of the socket. You loose me here. I'm presuming the leg is secured into the bottom of the keybed at the top and into the "foot" of the cabinet at the bottom of the leg. (Is there a better term for the horizontal forward extension on the base of a piano into which the base of a front leg is secured - like on most old uprights?) You say to hammer the leg out of the socket - are you saying to remove the leg at the top also? Use another hardwood dowel to do this so that you don't damage the original. Clean out the slot, removing all traces of the wedge,and cut a new wedge to fit. Make sure there is no glue left on the bottom "shelf" of the leg, so that upon refitting there is no gap. Assemble with plenty of wood glue,(Tite-Bond is enough), on the surfaces of the dowel and some on the shelf. Yup. Sounds good. MAKE SURE YOU ARE GLUING BACK IN THE SAME DIRECTION! Gluing what back in what same direction? Once the pieces are fitted together very snugly, (it doesn't hurt to use a pair of bar clamps to insure the joint is fully closed), hammer the wedge in with more glue. Sounds good. If cut properly, the wedge will be below surface so the plate will fit as originally intended and the plates will mesh properly. Below the surface of what? The dowel - correct? "So the plate..." what plate? What plates meshing? The piano plate? The plate for the caster? Meshing? Totally lost here. It could well be that my mind is just completely fried - I'm home sick today. Sorry if I ask too many questions. Thanks for any clarification you can offer. Terry Farrell On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Ed Foote wrote: Greetings, The Steinway legs are assembled with a large, (approx. 1 1/4 inch) dowel between the leg and the plinth,(top part). The dowel will have a wedge driven down into a slot, expanding the dowel in the hole of the plinth. You will usually damage the parts if the wedge is not removed prior to disassembly. The most effective repair is to drill out the wedge with a series of small, (1/8") holes, and then hammer the dowel and leg out of the socket. Use another hardwood dowel to do this so that you don't damage the original. Clean out the slot, removing all traces of the wedge,and cut a new wedge to fit. Make sure there is no glue left on the bottom "shelf" of the leg, so that upon refitting there is no gap. Assemble with plenty of wood glue,(Tite-Bond is enough), on the surfaces of the dowel and some on the shelf. MAKE SURE YOU ARE GLUING BACK IN THE SAME DIRECTION! Once the pieces are fitted together very snugly, (it doesn't hurt to use a pair of bar clamps to insure the joint is fully closed), hammer the wedge in with more glue. If cut properly, the wedge will be below surface so the plate will fit as originally intended and the plates will mesh properly. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20090915/e8363c35/attachment.htm>
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