On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>wrote: > Three Cheers. > > > > Will > > > > *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] *On > Behalf Of *Matthew Todd > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:55 PM > *To:* pianotech at ptg.org > *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] Action removal > > > > I feel like I should have my own subject line now.... > > > > I went to service a grand today that had a lot of excess noise when > played. It was recently moved to the new house and did not have the issue > before. > > > > About 15 minutes or less I discovered the hammer rest rail out of kilter. > The hold down nuts were a little loose, plus the rail was knocking on the > whippens....ta da! Viola. Problem was fixed (a pat on the back).....three > cheers? > > > > Thanks guys (and gals). > > *TODD PIANO WORKS* > Matthew Todd, Piano Technician > (979) 248-9578 > > http://www.toddpianoworks.com > > > > --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>* wrote: > > > From: William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Action removal > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:44 PM > > To Israel and others: > > > > I received a very gracious and thoughtful private email from Todd today. > May I suggest that we let this dog go to sleep now? As far as I am > concerned, Mathew Todd is welcome here. > > > > Will > > > > *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] *On > Behalf Of *Israel Stein > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:02 PM > *To:* pianotech at ptg.org > *Subject:* [pianotech] Action removal > > > > Phil, > > You do miss the point here... > > The problem is that one cannot depend on getting simple answers to isolated > questions in order to develop expertise in this trade - well, in any trade. > When questions come from a context of observations and analysis, and the > answers are then incorporated into an integrated body of knowledge that > teaches the questioner a methodology of devising his or her own solution - > learning is taking place. But when answers to these simple, isolated > questions are merely used to deal with the problem at hand - and not > incorporated into a growing methodology of problem solving - what you get > is an illusion of learning. > > There are always those folks who think that they can learn this trade by > picking people's brains for tidbits of information - whether in person, or > via e-mail, or at chapter meetings, or by watching, or by lurking on lists. > It doesn't work. These bits of information have to be integrated into some > sort of systematic problem-solving approach whereby someone can start > generating their own solutions to problems. Some people can do this work of > knowledge integration themselves. Others require a mentor. But whenever > anyone - like Will, or Joe Garrett before him - suggests to this guy that > perhaps he should investigate some ways to do this in order to better take > advantage of this list and start developing some real expertise - he snaps > at them. > > Other newbies who started by asking the same sort of questions have over a > similar period of time shown a growing sophistication in their approach to > the trade - have used the answers given to develop a problem-solving > methodology used for these sorts of simple issues. This guy here, any time > someone suggests that perhaps it's time to get beyond this very elementary > approach - especially in view of the extravagant claims being made on the > website mentioned by Dave - gets all bent out of shape. > > It's OK to be a newbie and ask newbie questions - but one can't stay a > newbie forever. And if this guy doesn't start taking some of the suggestions > such as Will made to heart instead of getting on his high horse, that's > what's he's going to end up being - a perpetual newbie... > > And, oh, by the way, fear not, this list will never get stilted and > pedantic... Too many characters... :-) > > Israel Stein > > > > >If we are not allowed to ask questions on this list that have been > >discussed before, it's going to become a very stilted and pedantic > >forum. Remember if we don't like the question, we can always use the > >delete key. > > >Phil Ryan > >Miami Beach > > > David Doremus wrote: > > Honestly, what bothers me about Matthews questions is that he > > advertises himself thusly /"Matthew's vast knowledge of pianos comes > > from his association with fine piano technicians and /_registered > > piano technicians_/ from around the country" /while constantly asking > > questions that show a serious lack of understanding of basic piano > > service or even problem solving. The best thing is to find and work > > with a mentor rather than use this list to do your work for you. We > > all, me especially, ask fairly dumb questions all the time, but not > > such a constant stream while claiming expertise we don't have. I'm > > with Will on this one, and not meaning it at all to put down new > > technicians, I am constantly reminded how little I know by people like > > Terry Farrel and Ron N and Joe G. > > > > --Dave > > New Orleans > > ( not at all trying to be a list keeper, but in the market for a > > flame suit :-} ) > > / > > / > > > > > > Mark Dierauf wrote: > >> Thanks, Rob. Food for thought for the self-appointed keepers of the > >> list! > >> > >> - Mark > >> > >> Rob McCall wrote: > >>> Speaking for all the lurkers and newbies out there... > >>> > >>> I for one, like to see Matthew ask questions. I have a whole litany > >>> of simple questions myself. Some, I'm just too shy to ask. Other > >>> questions Matthew (or others) asks before I do. > >>> > >>> When I signed up for the list, I don't remember seeing a checklist > >>> of "too simple questions to ask" or a requirement that questions be > >>> challenging enough to be posted on the list. The list, at least how > >>> I see it in my microcosm, is for EVERY piano technician out there, > >>> whether they be newbies (I'll put myself down here), intermediate > >>> (Matthew is probably in here), or the highly experienced (Ron N., > >>> Joe Garret, David Anderson, come to mind). I know there are many more. > >>> > >>> For the stuff that's too easy or uninteresting, or like in my case, > >>> possibly way over your head, either get a computer for Ed's pet > >>> canary, so that he can respond, or you can do what I do -- use my > >>> very special key for those particular emails. It's in the upper > >>> right hand corner of my keyboard with a label that says "delete". :-) > >>> > >>> Respectfully, > >>> > >>> Rob McCall > >>> Murrieta, CA > >> > > > > > > > Three cheers and who's Viola? (g) Mike -- I intend to live forever. So far, so good. 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