Vwala. Or something like that. LOL Avery On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Michael Magness <IFixPianos at yahoo.com>wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>wrote: > >> Three Cheers. >> >> >> >> Will >> >> >> >> *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Matthew Todd >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:55 PM >> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org >> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] Action removal >> >> >> >> I feel like I should have my own subject line now.... >> >> >> >> I went to service a grand today that had a lot of excess noise when >> played. It was recently moved to the new house and did not have the issue >> before. >> >> >> >> About 15 minutes or less I discovered the hammer rest rail out of kilter. >> The hold down nuts were a little loose, plus the rail was knocking on the >> whippens....ta da! Viola. Problem was fixed (a pat on the back).....three >> cheers? >> >> >> >> Thanks guys (and gals). >> >> *TODD PIANO WORKS* >> Matthew Todd, Piano Technician >> (979) 248-9578 >> >> http://www.toddpianoworks.com >> >> >> >> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net>* wrote: >> >> >> From: William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Action removal >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:44 PM >> >> To Israel and others: >> >> >> >> I received a very gracious and thoughtful private email from Todd today. >> May I suggest that we let this dog go to sleep now? As far as I am >> concerned, Mathew Todd is welcome here. >> >> >> >> Will >> >> >> >> *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Israel Stein >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:02 PM >> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org >> *Subject:* [pianotech] Action removal >> >> >> >> Phil, >> >> You do miss the point here... >> >> The problem is that one cannot depend on getting simple answers to >> isolated questions in order to develop expertise in this trade - well, in >> any trade. When questions come from a context of observations and analysis, >> and the answers are then incorporated into an integrated body of knowledge >> that teaches the questioner a methodology of devising his or her own >> solution - learning is taking place. But when answers to these simple, >> isolated questions are merely used to deal with the problem at hand - and >> not incorporated into a growing methodology of problem solving - what you >> get is an illusion of learning. >> >> There are always those folks who think that they can learn this trade by >> picking people's brains for tidbits of information - whether in person, or >> via e-mail, or at chapter meetings, or by watching, or by lurking on lists. >> It doesn't work. These bits of information have to be integrated into some >> sort of systematic problem-solving approach whereby someone can start >> generating their own solutions to problems. Some people can do this work of >> knowledge integration themselves. Others require a mentor. But whenever >> anyone - like Will, or Joe Garrett before him - suggests to this guy that >> perhaps he should investigate some ways to do this in order to better take >> advantage of this list and start developing some real expertise - he snaps >> at them. >> >> Other newbies who started by asking the same sort of questions have over a >> similar period of time shown a growing sophistication in their approach to >> the trade - have used the answers given to develop a problem-solving >> methodology used for these sorts of simple issues. This guy here, any time >> someone suggests that perhaps it's time to get beyond this very elementary >> approach - especially in view of the extravagant claims being made on the >> website mentioned by Dave - gets all bent out of shape. >> >> It's OK to be a newbie and ask newbie questions - but one can't stay a >> newbie forever. And if this guy doesn't start taking some of the suggestions >> such as Will made to heart instead of getting on his high horse, that's >> what's he's going to end up being - a perpetual newbie... >> >> And, oh, by the way, fear not, this list will never get stilted and >> pedantic... Too many characters... :-) >> >> Israel Stein >> >> >> >> >If we are not allowed to ask questions on this list that have been >> >discussed before, it's going to become a very stilted and pedantic >> >forum. Remember if we don't like the question, we can always use the >> >delete key. >> >> >Phil Ryan >> >Miami Beach >> >> >> David Doremus wrote: >> > Honestly, what bothers me about Matthews questions is that he >> > advertises himself thusly /"Matthew's vast knowledge of pianos comes >> > from his association with fine piano technicians and /_registered >> > piano technicians_/ from around the country" /while constantly asking >> > questions that show a serious lack of understanding of basic piano >> > service or even problem solving. The best thing is to find and work >> > with a mentor rather than use this list to do your work for you. We >> > all, me especially, ask fairly dumb questions all the time, but not >> > such a constant stream while claiming expertise we don't have. I'm >> > with Will on this one, and not meaning it at all to put down new >> > technicians, I am constantly reminded how little I know by people like >> > Terry Farrel and Ron N and Joe G. >> > >> > --Dave >> > New Orleans >> > ( not at all trying to be a list keeper, but in the market for a >> > flame suit :-} ) >> > / >> > / >> > >> > >> > Mark Dierauf wrote: >> >> Thanks, Rob. Food for thought for the self-appointed keepers of the >> >> list! >> >> >> >> - Mark >> >> >> >> Rob McCall wrote: >> >>> Speaking for all the lurkers and newbies out there... >> >>> >> >>> I for one, like to see Matthew ask questions. I have a whole litany >> >>> of simple questions myself. Some, I'm just too shy to ask. Other >> >>> questions Matthew (or others) asks before I do. >> >>> >> >>> When I signed up for the list, I don't remember seeing a checklist >> >>> of "too simple questions to ask" or a requirement that questions be >> >>> challenging enough to be posted on the list. The list, at least how >> >>> I see it in my microcosm, is for EVERY piano technician out there, >> >>> whether they be newbies (I'll put myself down here), intermediate >> >>> (Matthew is probably in here), or the highly experienced (Ron N., >> >>> Joe Garret, David Anderson, come to mind). I know there are many >> more. >> >>> >> >>> For the stuff that's too easy or uninteresting, or like in my case, >> >>> possibly way over your head, either get a computer for Ed's pet >> >>> canary, so that he can respond, or you can do what I do -- use my >> >>> very special key for those particular emails. It's in the upper >> >>> right hand corner of my keyboard with a label that says "delete". :-) >> >>> >> >>> Respectfully, >> >>> >> >>> Rob McCall >> >>> Murrieta, CA >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > Three cheers and who's Viola? (g) > > Mike > > -- > I intend to live forever. So far, so good. > Steven Wright > > > Michael Magness > Magness Piano Service > 608-786-4404 > www.IFixPianos.com <http://www.ifixpianos.com/> > email mike at ifixpianos.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20090918/ab0f41cb/attachment.htm>
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