[pianotech] Tuning Pin Replacement AFTER CA Glue

Paul Milesi paul at pmpiano.com
Tue Sep 22 13:41:18 MDT 2009


No plate bushings on these pianos.
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Piano Technicians Guild
(202) 667-3136
(202) 246-3136 Cell
E-mail:  paul at pmpiano.com
Website:  http://www.pmpiano.com

Address:
3000 7th Street NE, Apt. 204
Washington, DC 20017-1402



From: Marshall Gisondi <pianotune05 at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:42:48 -0700
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 11, Issue 192

I wonder if they used plate bushings. Although too long of pins will flag
pole.

Marshall Gisondi Piano Technician
Marshall's Piano Service
pianotune05 at hotmail.com
215-510-9400
Graduate of The School of Piano Technology for the Blind
www.pianotuningschool.org <http://www.pianotuningschool.org/>  Vancouver, WA





 
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From: paul at pmpiano.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:03:42 -0400
Subject: [pianotech] Tuning Pin Replacement AFTER CA Glue








I would appreciate any advice anyone might be able to offer me regarding
replacing the tuning pins in a 1961 Baldwin L with, I believe, a replacement
pinblock that was subsequently treated with CA glue.  Will the old CA glue
cause any problems when pounding in new pins.  I think one size larger would
yield adequate torque.



The piano is in a school, and was “rebuilt” at some point in the past.  It
has “new-ish” hammers, shanks, flanges, a shimmed and refinished soundboard,
possibly recapped bridge, new-ish bass strings (still shiny).  Fundamentally
a nice piano.  It appears a new block was installed, and the piano
definitely has been restrung.  Unfortunately, the tuning pins were left
waaaaay too far out of the block, and most are flagpoling.  Some sections
were pounded down (later, I assume, by someone else?), but must be this
failed to provide adequate torque, so CA glue was used on some pins (visual
evidence, feel).



Excessive dryness from HVAC has been a chronic problem in this facility
since it opened in 1961.  I have a new Life Saver System I will be
installing.



Why re-pin?  Because I’m not a fan of pinblock restorer or CA glue.  So to
get the torque up I am thinking of trying a full re-pinning.  There’s no
money for another rebuild or move to shop, so I am trying to make this piano
serviceable where it is in the band and small group rehearsal room
(currently in use there).  With tuning stability, it’s parts indicate it
could be well-regulated and voiced, becoming a very clean, respectable
rehearsal room piano (6’1”).



Thanks for the help.



Paul

-- 

Paul Milesi

Registered Piano Technician (RPT)

Piano Technicians Guild

(202) 667-3136

(202) 246-3136 Cell

E-mail:  paul at pmpiano.com

Website:  http://www.pmpiano.com <http://www.pmpiano.com/>



Address:

3000 7th Street NE, Apt. 204

Washington, DC 20017-1402







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From: robertemmett.w at gmail.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:27:10 -0500
Subject: [pianotech] High pitch

The highest I found was a woman that kept on her damp chaser heating elemnet
only,never had it served untill the daughter was going to sell it after 30
some odd years. The accrosonic was believe it or not 2 and a half notes
sharp according to my accutuner and tuning fork,must have gone over it at
least 4 times! Robert Wall


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From: gnewell at ameritech.net
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:17:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning Pin Replacement AFTER CA Glue


















New block. Then forgetaboutit.



 





Greg Newell



Greg's Piano Forté



www.gregspianoforte.com



216-226-3791 (office)



216-470-8634 (mobile)





 







From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Paul Milesi

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:04 PM

To: PTG Pianotech List

Subject: [pianotech] Tuning Pin Replacement AFTER CA Glue







 



I would appreciate any advice anyone might
be able to offer me regarding replacing the tuning pins in a 1961 Baldwin L
with, I believe, a replacement pinblock that was subsequently treated with
CA
glue.  Will the old CA glue cause any problems when pounding in new pins.
 I think one size larger would yield adequate torque.



The piano is in a school, and was “rebuilt” at some point in the
past.  It has “new-ish” hammers, shanks, flanges, a shimmed
and refinished soundboard, possibly recapped bridge, new-ish bass strings
(still shiny).  Fundamentally a nice piano.  It appears a new block
was installed, and the piano definitely has been restrung.  Unfortunately,
the tuning pins were left waaaaay too far out of the block, and most are
flagpoling.  Some sections were pounded down (later, I assume, by someone
else?), but must be this failed to provide adequate torque, so CA glue was
used
on some pins (visual evidence, feel).



Excessive dryness from HVAC has been a chronic problem in this facility
since
it opened in 1961.  I have a new Life Saver System I will be installing.



Why re-pin?  Because I’m not a fan of pinblock restorer or CA glue.
 So to get the torque up I am thinking of trying a full re-pinning.
 There’s no money for another rebuild or move to shop, so I am
trying to make this piano serviceable where it is in the band and small
group
rehearsal room (currently in use there).  With tuning stability,
it’s parts indicate it could be well-regulated and voiced, becoming a
very clean, respectable rehearsal room piano (6’1”).



Thanks for the help.



Paul

-- 

Paul Milesi

Registered Piano Technician (RPT)

Piano Technicians Guild

(202) 667-3136

(202) 246-3136 Cell

E-mail:  paul at pmpiano.com

Website:  http://www.pmpiano.com <http://www.pmpiano.com/>



Address:

3000 7th Street NE, Apt. 204

Washington, DC 20017-1402









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From: wimblees at aol.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:38:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [pianotech] use of cell phones



-----Original Message-----

From: David Skolnik <davidskolnik at optonline.net>

To: pianotech at ptg.org

Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 3:22 am

Subject: Re: [pianotech] use of cell phones





Wim - 

Which pocket? 

 

David Skolnik 

Hastings on Hudson, NY




 



Usually my left pants pocket.



 



Wim 

 

At 03:51 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote:

>As I have reported earlier, my sister is a >health nut, and does a lot of
research on >environmentally safe products. Here is what she >found about the
use of cell phones.

>My business line is my cell phone. A number of >states now ban the use of cell
phones while >driving, including Hawaii, so I had to get a >blue tooth. But
instead of hanging on my ear all >the time, it hangs on my light switch, and I
put >it on my when the phone rings. W
hen I get out of >the car, I turn off the blue tooth, and carry the phone in
my pocket. 

> 

>Wim 

> 

> 

>CELL PHONE RADIATION: Four billion people around >the globe own cell phones. As
the market for new >devices has grown, so have concerns about the safety of cell
phone radiation. 

> 

>Recent studies find significantly higher risks >for brain and salivary gland
tumors among people >using cell phones for 10 years or longer. The >state of the
science is provocative and >troubling, and much more research is essential.

> 

>The U.S. government ought to require cell phone >companies to label their
products’ radiation >output so that consumers can do the numbers at the point
of sale. 

>It doesn’t, so Environmental Working Group has >created a user-friendly
interactive online guide to cell phone emissions.

> 

>10 Best Phones 

>Listing is based on phones currently available from major carriers.&

> 

>nbsp; 

> 

>1. Samsung Impression (SGH-a877) [AT&T]

>2. Motorola RAZR V8 [CellularONE]

>3. Samsung SGH-t229 [T-Mobile]

> 

>4. Samsung Rugby (SGH-a837) [AT&T]

>5. Samsung Propel Pro (SGH-i627) [AT&T]

>6. Samsung Gravity (SGH-t459) [CellularONE, T-Mobile]

> 

>7. T-Mobile Sidekick [T-Mobile]

>8. LG Xenon (GR500) [AT&T]

>9
. Motorola Karma QA1 [AT&T]

>10. Sanyo Katana II [Kajeet]

> 

>••••• What you can do: In any case any case, >limit your use of cell phones.
Children should >be especially restricted in using cell phones >and warned of
the hazards, just as they grow up >knowing the dangers of driving without a seat
belt. 

> 

 





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