[pianotech] Fwd: Business License....???

Chuck Raynor diggeray at comcast.net
Sat Jul 17 19:26:00 MDT 2010



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> From: Raynor Piano Service <raynorpiano at comcast.net>
> Date: July 17, 2010 9:24:27 PM EDT
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>
> C'mon boys and girls,
> Each county or township within each state will have is own  
> requirements regarding a business license.  The business license has  
> nothing to do with your competence as a piano tuner.  In SC there  
> are business licenses required for each city/county in which you do  
> business.  This is one of those things you just can't generalize-- 
> you must "do whatcha gotta do". Make yourselves aware of what's  
> required in your area and either ignore the requirements or file in  
> each jurisdiction.
> Chuck Raynor
> Raynor Piano Service
> Beaufort, SC
> On Jul 17, 2010, at 6:40 PM, pianotech-request at ptg.org wrote:
>
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>>   1. Re: Business License....??? (David Love)
>>   2. Re: Business License....??? (John Ross)
>>
>> From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
>> Date: July 17, 2010 6:31:46 PM EDT
>> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>> Reply-To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>
>>
>> Each state has its own requirements (we are a republic of states  
>> and there are no national requirements for business licensing as  
>> far as we’re concerned).  So I was talking about California  
>> requirements since that’s what Terry was referring to.
>>
>> David Love
>> www.davidlovepianos.com
>>
>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
>> On Behalf Of John Ross
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:03 PM
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> It is pretty obvious that every jurisdiction has it's own rules.
>> There appears to be so many conflicting opinions, that I am  
>> surprised there is not a reference book, where all the information  
>> is centralized.
>> John Ross
>> Windsor, Nova Scotia.
>> On 17-Jul-10, at 6:50 PM, David Love wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not true.  A business license is required and much of the licensing  
>> has to do with monitoring whether you owe payroll taxes.  Sales tax  
>> through the SBOE is a different thing and you are required to  
>> collect sales tax whether you have a business license or not—for  
>> example an artist who sells their work.
>>
>> David Love
>> www.davidlovepianos.com
>>
>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
>> On Behalf Of pianolover 88
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:26 AM
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> Piano tuners are NOT required to be licensed. A *business* license  
>> is usually mandated if you will be selling MERCHANDISE, not labor  
>> services, at least here in CA. There would be no other reason the  
>> state would require a business license, other than to make sure  
>> that you pay them the *sales tax* collected from clients, for  
>> merchandise sold. That money doesn't come out of your pocket  
>> anyway; only the customer's. In CA, you cannot charge tax for  
>> tuning, cleaning, pitch raising, regulation, etc., if only labor is  
>> involved. So if that is all you do, and do not sell merchandise,  
>> you don't need a business license, period.
>>
>> Terry Peterson
>> Accurate Piano Service
>> UniGeezer.com
>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: firtreepiano at hotmail.com
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:42:58 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> That may be true in your state, it is not in most.
>>
>> David Stocker, RPT
>> Tumwater, WA
>>
>>
>> From: pianolover 88
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 14:39
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> A business license is required *only* if you are going to be  
>> selling tangible merchandise, and collecting sales tax. And that is  
>> through the SBE. Otherwise, solely tuning pianos requires no  
>> license, business or otherwise.
>>
>> Terry Peterson
>> Accurate Piano Service
>> UniGeezer.com
>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: tompiano at bellsouth.net
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:43:17 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> That is referring to business license,  not to be confused with a  
>> professional license.
>> Tom Servinsky
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: pianolover 88
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>
>> Since when are piano tuners required to be licensed? Unless you are  
>> referring to a *resale* license with the SBE, but for strictly  
>> piano tuning, no license is required.
>>
>> http://education-portal.com/piano_technician_training.html
>>
>> "Licenses and Certifications Piano technicians are not required to  
>> be licensed. The PTG offers the industry's only regulated  
>> credentials, available to its members. Qualified piano technicians  
>> who pass three technical exams can obtain Registered Piano  
>> Technician (RPT) credentials. Although RPT certification is not  
>> required, it is typically an important selling point for self- 
>> employed piano technicians pursuing clients."
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry Peterson
>> Accurate Piano Service
>> UniGeezer.com
>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Qshooterq at aol.com
>> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:55:48 -0400
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
>>
>>
>> Check with Syd Stone.  He had a license form the city of Hayward,  
>> Ca. When a nearby city told him he needed a license for their city,  
>> too.  He took it to court and won.  One license was sufficient.  If  
>> you want to know any details, ask him, not me.  I told you all I  
>> know.
>>
>> ---Tom Gorley
>>
>> In a message dated 7/15/10 10:22:42 AM, pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu  
>> writes:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I was always curious that if we are licensed in the city in which  
>> we live as well as the state, do we also have to have a license for  
>> all the surrounding cities in which we work?  (It doesn't matter  
>> now, since I'm a CAUT), but I didn't ever know if I was bending  
>> some sort of law living in Clinton, WA, but doing business all  
>> around Puget Sound.
>>
>> Best,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple  
>> calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.
>>
>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple  
>> calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.
>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your  
>> inbox. Get started.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: John Ross <jrpiano at eastlink.ca>
>> Date: July 17, 2010 6:40:14 PM EDT
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>> Reply-To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>
>>
>> Hi David,
>> Sorry, I wasn't specifically replying to you, I realized you were  
>> replying to the California e-mail.
>> I should have replied to the original e-mail, but I had deleted it.
>> John Ross,
>> Windsor, Nova Scotia.
>> On 17-Jul-10, at 7:31 PM, David Love wrote:
>>
>>> Each state has its own requirements (we are a republic of states  
>>> and there are no national requirements for business licensing as  
>>> far as we’re concerned).  So I was talking about California  
>>> requirements since that’s what Terry was referring to.
>>>
>>> David Love
>>> www.davidlovepianos.com
>>>
>>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
>>> On Behalf Of John Ross
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:03 PM
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> It is pretty obvious that every jurisdiction has it's own rules.
>>> There appears to be so many conflicting opinions, that I am  
>>> surprised there is not a reference book, where all the information  
>>> is centralized.
>>> John Ross
>>> Windsor, Nova Scotia.
>>> On 17-Jul-10, at 6:50 PM, David Love wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Not true.  A business license is required and much of the  
>>> licensing has to do with monitoring whether you owe payroll  
>>> taxes.  Sales tax through the SBOE is a different thing and you  
>>> are required to collect sales tax whether you have a business  
>>> license or not—for example an artist who sells their work.
>>>
>>> David Love
>>> www.davidlovepianos.com
>>>
>>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
>>> On Behalf Of pianolover 88
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:26 AM
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> Piano tuners are NOT required to be licensed. A *business* license  
>>> is usually mandated if you will be selling MERCHANDISE, not labor  
>>> services, at least here in CA. There would be no other reason the  
>>> state would require a business license, other than to make sure  
>>> that you pay them the *sales tax* collected from clients, for  
>>> merchandise sold. That money doesn't come out of your pocket  
>>> anyway; only the customer's. In CA, you cannot charge tax for  
>>> tuning, cleaning, pitch raising, regulation, etc., if only labor  
>>> is involved. So if that is all you do, and do not sell  
>>> merchandise, you don't need a business license, period.
>>>
>>> Terry Peterson
>>> Accurate Piano Service
>>> UniGeezer.com
>>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: firtreepiano at hotmail.com
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:42:58 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> That may be true in your state, it is not in most.
>>>
>>> David Stocker, RPT
>>> Tumwater, WA
>>>
>>>
>>> From: pianolover 88
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 14:39
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> A business license is required *only* if you are going to be  
>>> selling tangible merchandise, and collecting sales tax. And that  
>>> is through the SBE. Otherwise, solely tuning pianos requires no  
>>> license, business or otherwise.
>>>
>>> Terry Peterson
>>> Accurate Piano Service
>>> UniGeezer.com
>>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: tompiano at bellsouth.net
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:43:17 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> That is referring to business license,  not to be confused with a  
>>> professional license.
>>> Tom Servinsky
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: pianolover 88
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Business License....???
>>>
>>> Since when are piano tuners required to be licensed? Unless you  
>>> are referring to a *resale* license with the SBE, but for strictly  
>>> piano tuning, no license is required.
>>>
>>> http://education-portal.com/piano_technician_training.html
>>>
>>> "Licenses and Certifications Piano technicians are not required to  
>>> be licensed. The PTG offers the industry's only regulated  
>>> credentials, available to its members. Qualified piano technicians  
>>> who pass three technical exams can obtain Registered Piano  
>>> Technician (RPT) credentials. Although RPT certification is not  
>>> required, it is typically an important selling point for self- 
>>> employed piano technicians pursuing clients."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Peterson
>>> Accurate Piano Service
>>> UniGeezer.com
>>> "Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Qshooterq at aol.com
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:55:48 -0400
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Probelm with Business License. Please help!
>>>
>>>
>>> Check with Syd Stone.  He had a license form the city of Hayward,  
>>> Ca. When a nearby city told him he needed a license for their  
>>> city, too.  He took it to court and won.  One license was  
>>> sufficient.  If you want to know any details, ask him, not me.  I  
>>> told you all I know.
>>>
>>> ---Tom Gorley
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/15/10 10:22:42 AM,  
>>> pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu writes:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I was always curious that if we are licensed in the city in which  
>>> we live as well as the state, do we also have to have a license  
>>> for all the surrounding cities in which we work?  (It doesn't  
>>> matter now, since I'm a CAUT), but I didn't ever know if I was  
>>> bending some sort of law living in Clinton, WA, but doing business  
>>> all around Puget Sound.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple  
>>> calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.
>>>
>>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple  
>>> calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.
>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from  
>>> your inbox. Get started.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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