List, I am fairly new to the list and would like to ask a couple of questions. First is about protocol. If asking a question that is off-topic how do you start a new thread and edit the subject line? The second is about rebushing. I have an german grand (and a potential buyer). The grand has vertigre problems. I have more time than money, therefore I and am considering rebushing rather than replacing parts. I have old Journals and other resources but would like to understand more about how new parts are bushed- mass production procedures.... This might help me to do a better job in less time. Also any input is appreciated. From: pianotech-request at ptg.org Subject: pianotech Digest, Vol 25, Issue 185 To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:20:01 -0700 Send pianotech mailing list submissions to pianotech at ptg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pianotech-request at ptg.org You can reach the person managing the list at pianotech-owner at ptg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: a440a at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:54:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [pianotech] need a tech in Evansville, Indiana for an appraisal >>List A client of mine needs an older Steinway upright appraised in Evansville, Indiana. In particular, they someone to appraise it give them an honest opinion if the piano is worth sending down to Florida. It's a family heirloom and the relative wants the family down here to have it. Tom Servinsky There is a Steinway dealer up there, isnt' there? Ed Foote --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: pelican2 at gmx.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:32:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway Oh.. don't forget the HORN! Scott Gray On 11/23/2010 8:07 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: OK, so when is Steinway going to put a BMW rear view mirror on the music rack, BMW logos on the casters, and the BMW logo on the lid? Wim -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 10:16 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway Here are some web links on this BMW & Steinway joint venture.. I guess I'll have to go get my old timing light out of the garage and put it in my tuning kit ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bT2ifbhEw&feature=channel http://pursuitist.com/auto/limited-edition-bmw-7-series-inspired-by-steinway-sons/ Bill Fritz, St Louis From: James Grebe <jamesgrebe at charter.net> To: Pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: [pianotech] BMW Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 06:25:45 -0600 Yesterday I tuned at the Steinway store here and they were showing me the latest BMW, Steinway edition. It has the Steinway logo emblazoned on it many places and piano like details. I am sure it is not there cheapest model. There are pics on the website. James James Grebe --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: erwinspiano at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:21:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Subscribing to Caut Hey Jer... They let me in, passed the test, now....I'm one of the good guys:) Dale S. Erwin www.Erwinspiano.com Custom piano restoration Ronsen piano hammers-sales R & D and tech support Sitka soundboard panels 209-577-8397 209-985-0990 -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:00 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] Subscribing to Caut Thanks David. I did so, got the confirmation, replied and so now we wait and see if it works this time. Jer From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Love Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:51 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Subscribing to Caut You go to this site, fill in your email address and a password. They send you an email confirmation and you must respond which means you simply reply to the message leaving the subject line as is. I did it and it took about thirty seconds, confirmed and now even more piano related mail than I wanted. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Love Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:26 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Subscribing to Caut Go here and follow the instructions. Worked for me. http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/caut David Love www.davidlovepianos.com --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tunerryan at gmail.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:33:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [pianotech] My first Winter Spinet--are they all like this? ...AND try to lift up one side of the piano! You'll feel like a muscle man! Ryan On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Delwin D Fandrich <del at fandrichpiano.com> wrote: No, “Alumitone” is what you get when the frame (plate) is cast of aluminum rather than gray iron. Next time you visit the piano try a magnet on the frame. ddf Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 620 South Tower Avenue Centralia, Washington 98531 USA del at fandrichpiano.com ddfandrich at gmail.com Phone 360.736.7563 From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Floyd Gadd Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:38 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: [pianotech] My first Winter Spinet--are they all like this? Oh yes, the piano. 1949 Winter spinet. May have been tuned since it left the store back then, but I'm not sure. Pins were tight, as if they had never been moved. Hardly any wear on the hammers. No a bad specimen for a spinet. What was that on the plate--"Alumitone?" Is that what you get with aluminum colored paint over cast iron? And a nicely designed case in pretty good shape. -- Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Olympia, WA www.pianova.net --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tunerryan at gmail.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:43:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway I was just riding in Ken'ts car a few weeks ago - He loves it! But it's a HYUNDAI !! :) Ry On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> wrote: Hey Kent Webb! There's your brand new car!!! You're the winner on the Beemer is Right! Who else more deserving...all the Steinways are gone now....Wow! I'd get one were my world quite a bit different!! Black, of course....(unless you like my Big Red Steinway!) Let's all chip in! I have a dollar.... Paul From: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: 11/23/2010 02:16 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway Here are some web links on this BMW & Steinway joint venture.. I guess I'll have to go get my old timing light out of the garage and put it in my tuning kit ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bT2ifbhEw&feature=channel http://pursuitist.com/auto/limited-edition-bmw-7-series-inspired-by-steinway-sons/ Bill Fritz, St Louis From: James Grebe <jamesgrebe at charter.net> To: Pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: [pianotech] BMW Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 06:25:45 -0600 Yesterday I tuned at the Steinway store here and they were showing me the latest BMW, Steinway edition. It has the Steinway logo emblazoned on it many places and piano like details. I am sure it is not there cheapest model. There are pics on the website. James James Grebe -- Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Olympia, WA www.pianova.net --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:54:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway Me too a year ago...Not bad for a Hyndai. Should have bought a Sonata however! From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: 11/24/2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway I was just riding in Ken'ts car a few weeks ago - He loves it! But it's a HYUNDAI !! :) Ry On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> wrote: Hey Kent Webb! There's your brand new car!!! You're the winner on the Beemer is Right! Who else more deserving...all the Steinways are gone now....Wow! I'd get one were my world quite a bit different!! Black, of course....(unless you like my Big Red Steinway!) Let's all chip in! I have a dollar.... Paul From: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: 11/23/2010 02:16 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] BMW & Steinway Here are some web links on this BMW & Steinway joint venture.. I guess I'll have to go get my old timing light out of the garage and put it in my tuning kit ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bT2ifbhEw&feature=channel http://pursuitist.com/auto/limited-edition-bmw-7-series-inspired-by-steinway-sons/ Bill Fritz, St Louis From: James Grebe <jamesgrebe at charter.net> To: Pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: [pianotech] BMW Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 06:25:45 -0600 Yesterday I tuned at the Steinway store here and they were showing me the latest BMW, Steinway edition. It has the Steinway logo emblazoned on it many places and piano like details. I am sure it is not there cheapest model. There are pics on the website. James James Grebe -- Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Olympia, WA www.pianova.net --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: davidlovepianos at comcast.net To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:58:33 -0800 Subject: [pianotech] message to david andersen David: All your email addresses I have are non functional, the link from your website aborts and there's a problem with overlapping text on your pianos for sale page. Contact me off list please, I have a question. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tnrwim at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:19:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Wim I appreciate your anecdotal stories that have verified in your own mind such placement does no harm in your corner of the world. I still don't really get what the benefit is for you. For me, I've seen ample damage also to over dried action centers, let alone the pin block issues. That much heat radiating from such close proximity is a bad thing. That is my anecdotal experience. Dean Dean There is nothing anecdotal about my stories. It's not just my experience, but also the experience of technicians who have lived and worked in Hawaii for over 30 years. They are the ones who told me about this. But even for me personally, there have been several instances where a sluggish action returned to normal after I plugged in the DC that was already in the action cavity. And as I have said numerous times now. I have yet to find a pin block with even one marginally loose tuning pin. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Dean May <deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:13 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Wim I appreciate your anecdotal stories that have verified in your own mind such placement does no harm in your corner of the world. I still don't really get what the benefit is for you. For me, I've seen ample damage also to over dried action centers, let alone the pin block issues. That much heat radiating from such close proximity is a bad thing. That is my anecdotal experience. Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of tnrwim at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Actually what I am saying WRONG to is the placement of the heating rods. If you put a heat source in an enclosed area like in the action cavity then you are drying out not only the action but also the tuning plank. In my opinion this is detrimental to any piano. Regards Tony As I mentioned in my first post on this subject, I though tthe same thing as you do. But after tuning many grands over 3 years, I have yet to find one with even one weak tuning pin. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Tony Caught <acaught at internode.on.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Hi Wim, Love to live in Hawaii where things are so constant (possibly because it’s the centre of the world and surrounded by water) but I live on the worlds largest island “Australia” and we have many dry spells caused by winds from over large land masses of dessert or something. I do stand corrected though, there are many places where the humidity will remain relatively constant. From a Government source in Hawaii “Humidity may vary slightly on a daily basis, with an average of 63% humidity in Honolulu, and between varying climate zones and elevation.” One must assume that at some time the humidity does actually fall below 70%.. All areas have different terrains that effect the humidity content of the air regardless of what area you live in. Actually what I am saying WRONG to is the placement of the heating rods. If you put a heat source in an enclosed area like in the action cavity then you are drying out not only the action but also the tuning plank. In my opinion this is detrimental to any piano. Regards Tony Tony Caught acaught at internode.on.net From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of tnrwim at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2010 5:11 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Anywere that there is high humidity there are also periods of low humidity. Tony With all due respect, that statement is wrong. In Hawaii, and I presume in other tropical areas, like Singapore, the humidity NEVER drops below 70%. Surpisingly, the humidity rarely goes over 90%, either. But it is always in that range. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Tony Caught <acaught at internode.on.net> To: limhseng <limhseng at gmail.com>; pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Hi Lim,After working in Darwin for 2 decades I will say wrong wrong wrong. Anywere that there is high humidity there are also periods of low humidity. Both rods have been installed in "hopefully closed areas" and when the humidity drops down to say 40% you can assume that these rods are going to reduce the effective humidity level down to about 25% causing the action to become loose and the soundboard to dry out to lower than it should be. Even fitting a humidistat to near the soundboard will not stop the action from cooking. One way only to do it properly, full climate control system with under cover under the soundboard, keep thr lid closed and close the key fall when not in use. Tony Tony Caughtacaught at internode.on.net -----Original Message-----From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of limhseng at gmail.comSent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 3:08 PMTo: pianotech at ptg.orgSubject: [pianotech] Dehumidifier rods Hi listAttached 2 pics of heater rods(15watts) in a grand piano. The heater on the soundboard according to the tech that installed it helps to prevent rust. The other rod in the action cavity is the standard installation in our hot and humid climate. Its on 24/7. Your views pls.Thanks!LimSent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Powered by Gee! from StarHub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20101124/f97dda6c/attachment-0001.htm>
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