[pianotech] old list/new site

[David Skolnik]

Ed, Floyd, all -
First, let me disclose that I am subscribed to many of the lists on 
my.ptg.org, or egroups.ptg.org, including pianotech, usergroups, 
ptg-l.  I do believe that, ultimately, there has to be some 
significant revamping of our modes of communication.  I do believe 
that there are technical limits to the on-going function of this 
list, and that any change is going to present a learning curve that 
will be tolerated more easily by some than others, HOWEVER, this does 
not minimize the mis-steps that have been made in trying to effect 
this change.  Two points in particular:  the technical obstacles to 
the perpetuation of this list, even temporarily, need to be restated, 
clearly, here, as well as any other list that admin deems 
appropriate.  The disrespect that, intended or not, was perceived by 
the inadequate consideration to those remaining exclusively on this 
list was unnecessary.  Second, it seems likely to be clear, in 
retrospect, that the new format, whatever it ultimately was going to 
be, needed to be more fully tested, before effecting a full migration 
from here.  That should be reason enough to do what is necessary to 
postpone any termination.

Jim Coleman, President of PTG, has conveyed that this list will not 
be shutting down on 12/15 (tomorrow) as originally announced.  That 
is constructive.  The other constructive measures would be to:
- post informative updates here
- figure out how to better respectfully accommodate the resistive tendency.
- a larger team of coaches and more understanding of the anxieties 
created by technology, in general.

Ed, one more thing.  Next time you want to say "check the archives", 
please include a complete set of instructions, or at least a link to them.

David Skolnik
Hastings on Hudson, NY




At 09:09 AM 12/14/2011, you wrote:
>Dear Floyd,
>
>Non-members may participate in the new Web Site, as was mentioned on 
>this list very recently. Check the archives for instructions.
>You will find many excellent piano technicians participating in the 
>new communications technology.
>Phil Bondi has just posted a very candid report about his 
>experiences at the HL users conference, worth reading if you want to 
>learn about where the site development is going.
>When I first read the pianotech list, I had to go to the library and 
>have the librarian log me on. I did not know how to use email. I 
>learned, and am now learning to use the new media site. I find it 
>faster to read than this list. I recommend learning. Please sign on.
>
>Best,
>Ed Sutton
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Floyd Gadd <fg at floydgadd.com>
> >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:04 AM
> >To: pianotech at ptg.org
> >Subject: Re: [pianotech] old list
> >
> >I too prefer the old list.  I read it via the archives, and it is 
> much faster to access.  I agree that is it is less fragmented.  Can 
> non-PTG members participate in the new list, or only read it?  I 
> appreciate the breadth of the user base on this list.
> >Floyd Gadd
> >Manitoba Chapter