Al, It's funny how many people have expressed appreciation for my putting things in perspective - and did not see my post as a personal attack on anyone at all. Some people, I guess, are just a bit thin skinned - of whom at least one is well known for his habit of intellectually browbeating anyone who happens to disagree with him... And some of the cloying sanctimony that I have seen here in response to my post absolutely makes me retch (not you, Al, you are pretty straightforward) - and I get an awful lot of that here in Berkeley from the organic-and-Birkenstock crowd and should be immune to it by now... Israel Stein On 11:59 AM, Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft wrote: > Israel, I think you should address the > problems and concerns here and stop > making personal attacks! > > Al - > High Point, NC > > > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Israel > Stein wrote: > >> On 11:59 AM, Ron Nossaman wrote: >>> On 3/9/2011 8:36 PM, Israel Stein wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And yes there are issues there - >>>> but I see >>>> that Ron Nossaman has gotten out of >>>> his "this is crap" mode and started >>>> asking constructive questions about >>>> how it could possibly be made to >>>> work. >>> >>> Charming, as always. >> Pot calling the kettle black, sir... >>> >>> In the old format, I've learned >>> valuable things from people I might >>> not otherwise read at all from their >>> long record of having nothing much >>> interesting or lucid to say. The >>> value of information is not >>> contingent on it's source, but on >>> it's validity, and unlikely people >>> know interesting things on occasion >>> that I'm grateful to learn. The >>> threading, discussion grouping, and >>> other social filtering trends are >>> real horizon limiters in my opinion, >>> as very busy people limit their >>> exposure to ideas to what they are >>> concerned with at this hour. Next >>> week will naturally be different as >>> the crisis hot line turns. Some >>> folks are actually interested in and >>> able to learn, change, and adapt to >>> what's important to them without >>> being forced into a new and improved >>> format that has to be kicked out of >>> the way to get to the process. I >>> offered some modified possibilities, >>> which I haven't heard back on, >>> incidentally, that would allow the >>> "fogies" all the raw data and >>> interactivity necessary to maintain >>> their current and changing state of >>> knowledge, and still let the new age >>> pursue their passions. The thing is >>> really not that far off from being >>> usable for everyone with some >>> changes, if that's an allowable >>> concept. Awaiting enlightenment on >>> that one, but I suspect I already >>> know the answer. >> We will find out - won't we? I am >> glad that you offered your >> suggestions - and I noted that in the >> original post. I am not happy that an >> atmosphere of mockery and derision >> was created before those suggestions >> were offered. >>> I know the old system has burned out >>> the folks that made it work, but it >>> still strikes me as curious that the >>> users weren't polled before the >>> money was spent and major changes >>> were made. If our preferences don't >>> count, why bother to maintain >>> discussion lists at all? >> Don't know - i wasn't part of the >> process. But instead of immediately >> jumping on people - perhaps it might >> be useful to first find out what >> factors were used in the decision? >> And how do you know that some users >> were not polled? As much as a small >> core of users like to believe that >> this list is theirs - there is a huge >> body of subscribers who might not >> agree with you, and also quite a >> sizable body of former subscribers >> who have been driven off this list by >> the format and the attitudes of some >> of the "major contributors". >> >> Israel Stein >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20110310/edd69560/attachment.htm>
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