[pianotech] List changes - it's a lot bigger than just the lists...

[Encore Pianos]

So Isreal, are you saying that those who disagree with you should be thrown
in with the crunchy granola crowd?  Are we part of a greater conspiracy that
the unsuspecting public knows nothing about - the Intergalactic Insect Brain
Trust?  I've never owned Birkenstocks, will I be arrested and charged
anyway?

 

Ok, I've had my fun.  It's time to remember that you are not the enemy and
we are not the enemy.  The problems are with the new website and issues
within and not with each other.  It's time to throw water on the discussion,
not gasoline.  Speak to the issues at hand only - that's addressed to you
and me and everybody else.  If you have an argument, support it with reason
and facts.  Let's look for solutions, not blame.

 

Peace, Brother

 

Will Truitt

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Israel Stein
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:34 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] List changes - it's a lot bigger than just the
lists...

 

Al,

It's funny how many people have expressed appreciation for my putting things
in perspective - and did not see my post as a personal attack on anyone at
all. Some people, I guess, are just a bit thin skinned - of whom at least
one is well known for his habit of intellectually browbeating anyone who
happens to disagree with him... And some of the cloying sanctimony that I
have seen here in response to my post absolutely makes me retch (not you,
Al, you are pretty straightforward) - and I get an awful lot of that here in
Berkeley from the organic-and-Birkenstock crowd and should be immune to it
by now... 

Israel Stein 


On 11:59 AM, Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft wrote: 

Israel, I think you should address the problems and concerns here and stop
making personal attacks!  

 

Al -

High Point, NC

 

 

 

On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Israel Stein wrote:





On 11:59 AM, Ron Nossaman wrote:



On 3/9/2011 8:36 PM, Israel Stein wrote:

 

 

And yes there are issues there - but I see

that Ron Nossaman has gotten out of his "this is crap" mode and started

asking constructive questions about how it could possibly be made to

work.

 

Charming, as always.

Pot calling the kettle black, sir...



 

In the old format, I've learned valuable things from people I might not
otherwise read at all from their long record of having nothing much
interesting or lucid to say. The value of information is not contingent on
it's source, but on it's validity, and unlikely people know interesting
things on occasion that I'm grateful to learn. The threading, discussion
grouping, and other social filtering trends are real horizon limiters in my
opinion, as very busy people limit their exposure to ideas to what they are
concerned with at this hour. Next week will naturally be different as the
crisis hot line turns. Some folks are actually interested in and able to
learn, change, and adapt to what's important to them without being forced
into a new and improved format that has to be kicked out of the way to get
to the process. I offered some modified possibilities, which I haven't heard
back on, incidentally, that would allow the "fogies" all the raw data and
interactivity necessary to maintain their current and changing state of
knowledge, and still let the new age pursue their passions. The thing is
really not that far off from being usable for everyone with some changes, if
that's an allowable concept. Awaiting enlightenment on that one, but I
suspect I already know the answer.

We will find out - won't we? I am glad that you offered your suggestions -
and I noted that in the original post. I am not happy that an atmosphere of
mockery and derision was created before those suggestions were offered.



I know the old system has burned out the folks that made it work, but it
still strikes me as curious that the users weren't polled before the money
was spent and major changes were made. If our preferences don't count, why
bother to maintain discussion lists at all?

Don't know - i wasn't part of the process. But instead of immediately
jumping on people - perhaps it might be useful to first find out what
factors were used in the decision? And how do you know that some users were
not polled? As much as a small core of users like to believe that this list
is theirs - there is a huge body of subscribers who might not agree with
you, and also quite a sizable body of former subscribers who have been
driven off this list by the format and the attitudes of some of the "major
contributors".

Israel Stein



 

 

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