At 14:15 -0500 17/03/2011, Ron Nossaman wrote: ] >On 3/17/2011 1:54 PM, John Delacour wrote: > >>I would suggest therefore that the effect is caused by the system using >>the available energy to produce and recycle vibrations which, when the >>dampers are down, is converted into heat. > >I agree. This happens in any case, in all pianos. The difference in >those few that exhibit that swell effect is, I think, mostly >soundboard efficiency. > >I wonder at this point, how many have actually heard a piano do this. As both you and I have said, it is rare. I've mentioned the 6'3 Brinsmead where I first noticed the effect, and it had it in spades. I had the piano at home for a long while and was eventually prevailed upon, when I was more than usually skint, to sell it to a colleague in France for his daughter. She has since gone on to become a professional pianist. Now I have the disadvantage of seeing very few pianos but those that end up, often to stay, in my shop. Once or twice I have heard a piano somewhere else which had this special quality and later sought out pianos of the same make and age, sometimes waiting years for them to turn up, only to be disappointed. Now "efficient soundboard" is quite a wide net. Not even the most learned of acoustical engineers is able to describe let alone explain all that happens in a soundboard. Of all makers I know, Brinsmead was the most adventurous with the soundboard over the years, and at the time that piano was made he was advertising a special new design of soundboard, whose name I forget but will try to remember. I have experience the effect in some of his uprights as well. Last year I acquired, for nothing, two pianos from the same maker, one vertical and one overstrung, in order only to study a special feature used only by this maker. They are commercial pianos 1900-1920 built to a very low price, the actions don't fit, the sides warp, the case is mainly plain poplar faked to walnut etc. but, apart from the special feature that interested me, and which is unrelated to tone, I noticed some other features that had me thinking 'Why on earth didn't this man go upmarket?!'. Both of them, even the lousy little straight-strung, have/had the quality I'm talking about and I shall be rebuilding the overstrung. The vertical I have this week broken up. The soundboard has the grain running horizontal and the (quite flimsy) bars vertical. Although the thing has been outside under the rain and snow for 8 months the soundboard is still in one piece although the bars have come loose and I noticed yesterday that the spruce is cut right on the quarter. So far so good. More significant to my mind is the freedom the board has. It is glued and screwed to 1" fillets on the bass backpost and at the bottom just past the centre, where it goes up diagonally to the treble backpost, where it is again screwed and glued. At the top, except where it is screwed and glued to the two middle posts, it is free, with just a 1" x 1/4" rail to reinforce it. The diagonal is also free. The overstrung is similarly conceived. I shall be ripping out this wonder-soundboard and replacing it with one of my super-efficient wood-free soundboards, significantly lighter and much much stiffer fitted in exactly the same way. My bet is that I will end up with a fine-sounding piano and that I will, alas, _lose_ that special quality. If I don't, then it will be extremely interesting. I have another early Brinsmead overstrung grand waiting in the queue for rebuilding and this was untunable when I got it so I have no idea how it should sound, but this piano has the whole length of the straight side floated. Today I took delivery of the 1870 parallel-strung Brinsmead and have been getting to know it. It has 90 notes, 22 bass, sostenuto device, full duplex scaling and strings that from note 8 upwards are longer than a Steinway D. The covered trichord, note 20, is 164 cm. long -- the Steinway is 137 cm. I have high hopes of this piano, but the "swell" effect is completely lacking. I should say that the soundboard is as good as new and the sustain is excellent. JD
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