Are we mixing up our terms? It's gone back and forth and is becoming hard to keep track so for clarification I'll call the JD damper phenomenon "bloom" and "swell" the effect following hammer string contact. Anyway, that's how I'll comment on it. You're right that swell can be affected by voicing. But that doesn't mean that some pianos don't exhibit a greater amount of that capacity which might then be optimized by voicing. A quality also found in these types of pianos that seem to have this quality optimized is their relative sensitivity to energy input, meaning that the soundboard is set in motion easily but not in the same way that a weak and flabby soundboard moves initially. Rather there is some combination of light and easy to move but maximized potential energy in the form of compression which also has the right kind of impedance to control the way the energy dissipates. It may well be a fairly small target that achieves some perfect balance of those factors. That may relate to the JD effect (bloom as I'm calling it) in that this same optimized system might respond very easily to the energy input that begins when you lift the dampers and the soundboard energy starts to recycle via the previously damped strings. It's quite possible that there is some threshold that needs to be crossed in order for that relatively small input of energy in the JD effect to become noticeable. I still lean toward the idea of the amount potential energy in the soundboard system created by spring compression and some finely tuned (so to speak) balance between that and the freedom with which the system can be set in motion. When those two are optimized you get the most bang for your buck. Hopefully someone can give me a more accurate physical description of what it is I'm trying to describe. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ron Nossaman Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:37 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] What is bloom, On 3/19/2011 10:17 AM, David Love wrote: > I'm not so sure about that. Are you? If so, why? Bloom, given minimal soundboard function and a workable set of hammers, is adjustable to some degree by voicing. How much? Given the vague definition of bloom, everything is arguable, but whatever passes for bloom can be changed to some detectable degree, for better or worse, by voicing. Given the same minimal soundboard function and workable hammers, how does voicing affect swell, when the hammers aren't involved in most of it? Among pianos I've heard and voiced that exhibited what I'd call something like bloom, very few will show the swell effect. As I said earlier, I wonder how many of the people on list have ever heard the swell effect at all. It's quite different from everything we're used to. Ron N
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