Joe, thank you for taking a PRIVATE message & turning it into a public forum. I also notice that you cut out part of the PRIVATE message I sent to you... the part that said: "There is no "best" in the world, according to LaRoy Edwards... one can always be better, someone else can always improve what you or anyone did. Joe, the real issue is NOT who can run circles around whom..." Interesting example on ethics... though on the other hand, your work in the PTJournals over the years is quite impressive and I'm enjoying reading it (via the new PTG/DVD)... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com>; pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:13 am Subject: Re: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, If you would lose the "me great" attitude and get on with how you should be addressing this problem, then...maybe some good would come out of this. You have attacked the wrong people. My suggestion is: Take and Pass the Tests! Become an RPT! Get into the political aspect of PTG and get on the Executive Board. Make the changes happen! If you can't do that then ..???? I have nothing else to say to you, because you and The Heckler Just Don't Get It!! Joe P.S. I am forwarding this to the pianotech list, because others need to see and realize what you are really about. the real issue is Quality Service by PTG members. I'd be real surprised if you didn't agree w/ this. If you do, read on. (If not, we have nothing further to discuss. You're too full of yourself to listen to anyone.) My original intent was to point out that in any craft, there are people who, w/ age or lessened interest or whatever, who should not retain their "title" or "qualifications". I'm not saying they should be forced out of the PTG, but I am saying they no longer qualify for today's high level RPT status (vs yesterday's "gee that sounds good, ok your a Craftsman") So the next question is: What is the PTG doing about that issue? I certainly don't see anything... though I'm hoping that there is a move afoot, aka Sep 2011 PTJournal p6 And that prompted me to send out that "example" of an RPT's work, which should not have happened. An RPT who was referred to the customer via the PTG website. Regards... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:35 pm Subject: RE: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, Your last statement is pure bullshit! Show me an Associate that can "...run rings around me"! That's a joke and you know it. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fritz To: joegarrett at earthlink.net Sent: 8/31/2011 7:57:11 PM Subject: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Hi Joe, well, privately, here's the scoop. Even though I got back into piano tuning (my Dad taught me when I was a teen) about 10 years ago, I didn't retire from Hewlett Packard's Test Equipment group until about 3 years ago. I worked w/ high end, exotic electronic test equipment, and worked w/ guys who built the B2 Bomber Electronic Counter Measures, designed the current Cellphones, assisted guys who invented WiMAX... which I hear Sprint calls MiFi... worked w/ the AT&T guys on Drive Test Equipment & software to test & improve cell sites... etc. So no, you could say I'm relatively new at this... albeit attending 5 PTG National Conventions & the Little Red Schoolhouse. I'm not viewing this Piano Technician job as a "slam bam thank you maam" type of job like some do. Influenced by Virgil Smith in Chicago, along w/ some Yamaha Consultants, I take 1 1/2 hours to tune a piano typically... working thru it twice w/ my Verituner, and giving more time tweaking unisons w/ scales & pieces, the Verituner customized for various sized pianos (also influenced by Ron Koval). so I take my time... I enjoy the craft... I'm learning, and am being mentored by one of the Yamaha Consultants, besides working w/ other top tuners in the St Louis area, including Liz Baker, who recently moved to Massachusetts. Do I think I have the stuff to pass the tests? Maybe, Probably. Do I consider them a priority? No I spend a bit of time working (volunteering) as the St Louis newsletter editor, instead.. along w/ my continued learning etc. And at the age of 61, I'm enjoying life a bit. You obviously misread what I wrote... try reading it again. Did you look at the pics? I didn't say all RPTs are bad, the same as I'm sure you'd point out that not all Associates are bad, either. What I did say is... if the PTG is going to push a qualification, then the people putting the RPT after their name should be able to do much better work that was pictured. Here's a big point, Joe.. Do you agree? If so, we probably have things to talk about. If not, well, you won't get the point anyway. "Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke." Joe, there are indeed Associates who could run circles around you. Best of Luck to you, anyway... Bill From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: Re: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:31:58 -0700 Bill, y point, more than anything else, is this: it is apparent to me that you ave not been able to or don't wish to, take and pass the exams. This, I ill have to assume, (hate that word), because you are an Associate. And, rom your own admission, have been a member for over 10 years!! Yet, you eel qualified to not only criticize RPTs, the tests that they took the ime to pass, but feel qualified to further say that we, (RPTs), need to ake more tests, just to prove to a subordinate such as you, that we are ualified! You really have a lota balls to go that far buddy! I'll eiterate: Take and Pass the exams! That, IMO, will give you the Right to riticize all you want! Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke. oe Garrett, R.P.T. If you do, read on. (If not, we have nothing further to discuss. You're too full of yourself to listen to anyone.) My original intent was to point out that in any craft, there are people who, w/ age or lessened interest or whatever, who should not retain their "title" or "qualifications". I'm not saying they should be forced out of the PTG, but I am saying they no longer qualify for today's high level RPT status (vs yesterday's "gee that sounds good, ok your a Craftsman") So the next question is: What is the PTG doing about that issue? I certainly don't see anything... though I'm hoping that there is a move afoot, aka Sep 2011 PTJournal p6 And that prompted me to send out that "example" of an RPT's work, which should not have happened. An RPT who was referred to the customer via the PTG website. Regards... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:35 pm Subject: RE: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, Your last statement is pure bullshit! Show me an Associate that can "...run rings around me"! That's a joke and you know it. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fritz To: joegarrett at earthlink.net Sent: 8/31/2011 7:57:11 PM Subject: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Hi Joe, well, privately, here's the scoop. Even though I got back into piano tuning (my Dad taught me when I was a teen) about 10 years ago, I didn't retire from Hewlett Packard's Test Equipment group until about 3 years ago. I worked w/ high end, exotic electronic test equipment, and worked w/ guys who built the B2 Bomber Electronic Counter Measures, designed the current Cellphones, assisted guys who invented WiMAX... which I hear Sprint calls MiFi... worked w/ the AT&T guys on Drive Test Equipment & software to test & improve cell sites... etc. So no, you could say I'm relatively new at this... albeit attending 5 PTG National Conventions & the Little Red Schoolhouse. I'm not viewing this Piano Technician job as a "slam bam thank you maam" type of job like some do. Influenced by Virgil Smith in Chicago, along w/ some Yamaha Consultants, I take 1 1/2 hours to tune a piano typically... working thru it twice w/ my Verituner, and giving more time tweaking unisons w/ scales & pieces, the Verituner customized for various sized pianos (also influenced by Ron Koval). so I take my time... I enjoy the craft... I'm learning, and am being mentored by one of the Yamaha Consultants, besides working w/ other top tuners in the St Louis area, including Liz Baker, who recently moved to Massachusetts. Do I think I have the stuff to pass the tests? Maybe, Probably. Do I consider them a priority? No I spend a bit of time working (volunteering) as the St Louis newsletter editor, instead.. along w/ my continued learning etc. And at the age of 61, I'm enjoying life a bit. You obviously misread what I wrote... try reading it again. Did you look at the pics? I didn't say all RPTs are bad, the same as I'm sure you'd point out that not all Associates are bad, either. What I did say is... if the PTG is going to push a qualification, then the people putting the RPT after their name should be able to do much better work that was pictured. Here's a big point, Joe.. Do you agree? If so, we probably have things to talk about. If not, well, you won't get the point anyway. "Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke." Joe, there are indeed Associates who could run circles around you. Best of Luck to you, anyway... Bill From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: Re: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:31:58 -0700 Bill, y point, more than anything else, is this: it is apparent to me that you ave not been able to or don't wish to, take and pass the exams. This, I ill have to assume, (hate that word), because you are an Associate. And, rom your own admission, have been a member for over 10 years!! Yet, you eel qualified to not only criticize RPTs, the tests that they took the ime to pass, but feel qualified to further say that we, (RPTs), need to ake more tests, just to prove to a subordinate such as you, that we are ualified! You really have a lota balls to go that far buddy! I'll eiterate: Take and Pass the exams! That, IMO, will give you the Right to riticize all you want! Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke. oe Garrett, R.P.T. Joe, the real issue is NOT who can run circles around whom..." Interesting example on ethics... though on the other hand, your work in the PTJournals over the years is quite impressive and I'm enjoying reading it (via the new PTG/DVD)... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com>; pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 11:13 am Subject: Re: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, If you would lose the "me great" attitude and get on with how you should be addressing this problem, then...maybe some good would come out of this. You have attacked the wrong people. My suggestion is: Take and Pass the Tests! Become an RPT! Get into the political aspect of PTG and get on the Executive Board. Make the changes happen! If you can't do that then ..???? I have nothing else to say to you, because you and The Heckler Just Don't Get It!! Joe P.S. I am forwarding this to the pianotech list, because others need to see and realize what you are really about. the real issue is Quality Service by PTG members. I'd be real surprised if you didn't agree w/ this. If you do, read on. (If not, we have nothing further to discuss. You're too full of yourself to listen to anyone.) My original intent was to point out that in any craft, there are people who, w/ age or lessened interest or whatever, who should not retain their "title" or "qualifications". I'm not saying they should be forced out of the PTG, but I am saying they no longer qualify for today's high level RPT status (vs yesterday's "gee that sounds good, ok your a Craftsman") So the next question is: What is the PTG doing about that issue? I certainly don't see anything... though I'm hoping that there is a move afoot, aka Sep 2011 PTJournal p6 And that prompted me to send out that "example" of an RPT's work, which should not have happened. An RPT who was referred to the customer via the PTG website. Regards... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:35 pm Subject: RE: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, Your last statement is pure bullshit! Show me an Associate that can "...run rings around me"! That's a joke and you know it. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fritz To: joegarrett at earthlink.net Sent: 8/31/2011 7:57:11 PM Subject: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Hi Joe, well, privately, here's the scoop. Even though I got back into piano tuning (my Dad taught me when I was a teen) about 10 years ago, I didn't retire from Hewlett Packard's Test Equipment group until about 3 years ago. I worked w/ high end, exotic electronic test equipment, and worked w/ guys who built the B2 Bomber Electronic Counter Measures, designed the current Cellphones, assisted guys who invented WiMAX... which I hear Sprint calls MiFi... worked w/ the AT&T guys on Drive Test Equipment & software to test & improve cell sites... etc. So no, you could say I'm relatively new at this... albeit attending 5 PTG National Conventions & the Little Red Schoolhouse. I'm not viewing this Piano Technician job as a "slam bam thank you maam" type of job like some do. Influenced by Virgil Smith in Chicago, along w/ some Yamaha Consultants, I take 1 1/2 hours to tune a piano typically... working thru it twice w/ my Verituner, and giving more time tweaking unisons w/ scales & pieces, the Verituner customized for various sized pianos (also influenced by Ron Koval). so I take my time... I enjoy the craft... I'm learning, and am being mentored by one of the Yamaha Consultants, besides working w/ other top tuners in the St Louis area, including Liz Baker, who recently moved to Massachusetts. Do I think I have the stuff to pass the tests? Maybe, Probably. Do I consider them a priority? No I spend a bit of time working (volunteering) as the St Louis newsletter editor, instead.. along w/ my continued learning etc. And at the age of 61, I'm enjoying life a bit. You obviously misread what I wrote... try reading it again. Did you look at the pics? I didn't say all RPTs are bad, the same as I'm sure you'd point out that not all Associates are bad, either. What I did say is... if the PTG is going to push a qualification, then the people putting the RPT after their name should be able to do much better work that was pictured. Here's a big point, Joe.. Do you agree? If so, we probably have things to talk about. If not, well, you won't get the point anyway. "Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke." Joe, there are indeed Associates who could run circles around you. Best of Luck to you, anyway... Bill From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: Re: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:31:58 -0700 Bill, y point, more than anything else, is this: it is apparent to me that you ave not been able to or don't wish to, take and pass the exams. This, I ill have to assume, (hate that word), because you are an Associate. And, rom your own admission, have been a member for over 10 years!! Yet, you eel qualified to not only criticize RPTs, the tests that they took the ime to pass, but feel qualified to further say that we, (RPTs), need to ake more tests, just to prove to a subordinate such as you, that we are ualified! You really have a lota balls to go that far buddy! I'll eiterate: Take and Pass the exams! That, IMO, will give you the Right to riticize all you want! Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke. oe Garrett, R.P.T. If you do, read on. (If not, we have nothing further to discuss. You're too full of yourself to listen to anyone.) My original intent was to point out that in any craft, there are people who, w/ age or lessened interest or whatever, who should not retain their "title" or "qualifications". I'm not saying they should be forced out of the PTG, but I am saying they no longer qualify for today's high level RPT status (vs yesterday's "gee that sounds good, ok your a Craftsman") So the next question is: What is the PTG doing about that issue? I certainly don't see anything... though I'm hoping that there is a move afoot, aka Sep 2011 PTJournal p6 And that prompted me to send out that "example" of an RPT's work, which should not have happened. An RPT who was referred to the customer via the PTG website. Regards... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: Bill Fritz <pianofritz50 at aol.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:35 pm Subject: RE: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Bill, Your last statement is pure bullshit! Show me an Associate that can "...run rings around me"! That's a joke and you know it. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fritz To: joegarrett at earthlink.net Sent: 8/31/2011 7:57:11 PM Subject: PRIVATE: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Hi Joe, well, privately, here's the scoop. Even though I got back into piano tuning (my Dad taught me when I was a teen) about 10 years ago, I didn't retire from Hewlett Packard's Test Equipment group until about 3 years ago. I worked w/ high end, exotic electronic test equipment, and worked w/ guys who built the B2 Bomber Electronic Counter Measures, designed the current Cellphones, assisted guys who invented WiMAX... which I hear Sprint calls MiFi... worked w/ the AT&T guys on Drive Test Equipment & software to test & improve cell sites... etc. So no, you could say I'm relatively new at this... albeit attending 5 PTG National Conventions & the Little Red Schoolhouse. I'm not viewing this Piano Technician job as a "slam bam thank you maam" type of job like some do. Influenced by Virgil Smith in Chicago, along w/ some Yamaha Consultants, I take 1 1/2 hours to tune a piano typically... working thru it twice w/ my Verituner, and giving more time tweaking unisons w/ scales & pieces, the Verituner customized for various sized pianos (also influenced by Ron Koval). so I take my time... I enjoy the craft... I'm learning, and am being mentored by one of the Yamaha Consultants, besides working w/ other top tuners in the St Louis area, including Liz Baker, who recently moved to Massachusetts. Do I think I have the stuff to pass the tests? Maybe, Probably. Do I consider them a priority? No I spend a bit of time working (volunteering) as the St Louis newsletter editor, instead.. along w/ my continued learning etc. And at the age of 61, I'm enjoying life a bit. You obviously misread what I wrote... try reading it again. Did you look at the pics? I didn't say all RPTs are bad, the same as I'm sure you'd point out that not all Associates are bad, either. What I did say is... if the PTG is going to push a qualification, then the people putting the RPT after their name should be able to do much better work that was pictured. Here's a big point, Joe.. Do you agree? If so, we probably have things to talk about. If not, well, you won't get the point anyway. "Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke." Joe, there are indeed Associates who could run circles around you. Best of Luck to you, anyway... Bill From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett at earthlink.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Subject: Re: [pianotech] is this work by an RPT? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:31:58 -0700 Bill, y point, more than anything else, is this: it is apparent to me that you ave not been able to or don't wish to, take and pass the exams. This, I ill have to assume, (hate that word), because you are an Associate. And, rom your own admission, have been a member for over 10 years!! Yet, you eel qualified to not only criticize RPTs, the tests that they took the ime to pass, but feel qualified to further say that we, (RPTs), need to ake more tests, just to prove to a subordinate such as you, that we are ualified! You really have a lota balls to go that far buddy! I'll eiterate: Take and Pass the exams! That, IMO, will give you the Right to riticize all you want! Until that happens, you're simply blowing smoke. oe Garrett, R.P.T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20110901/15202a24/attachment.htm>
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