[pianotech] Stretch in Tuning(s)

[Duaine Hechler]

Joe,

I can't believe - you are - starting this crap again.

Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, there are more ETD users, without aural training, than ever, and it's only 
growing more and more every year and aural tuners are going to become less and less every year.

And has been proven over and over and over and over and over, ETD tunings are well enough to provide every tuning from 
the home to universities to symphonies, music studios and more.

AND, to add injury to insult, the SMARTER the ETD's get, the LESS and LESS is needed for aural tuning skills.

My take on this seemingly never ending argument............

Duaine

On 05/25/2012 11:49 PM, Joseph Garrett wrote:
> Duaine said:
> "Well, IMHO, at least Cybertuner does. Because before you start tuning, you
> sample all the A's, which no only tells how
> far off the tuning is, but also registers the inharmonicity, etc. Plus
> allows - 9 - standard settings for stretch as
> well as allowing for custom settings. Plus, also, allows for setting to
> listening to certain partials."
>
> And if you think I swallow that, I've got some good bottom land for you.
> That assumes that that takes in the whole gammit of every kind of
> inharmonicity....Which it does not! I get real tired of listening to
> supposed techs that think that Aural is the only way and/or The Machine is
> the absolute way! Sheesh! If you do not know how to tune, at a reasonable
> level, Aurally, then the machine is going to take you down the dumb path of
> trying to convince you that it's "formulae" is the BEST way to tune a
> piano. It just ain't so! I passed my RPT exam, Aurally. I use an ETD. It is
> a tool,....nothing more/nothing less! It helps me to be very close.
> However, it does NOT make a piano MUSICAL! Yes, it can make a spinet as
> good as it can be. (Don't waste your TIME trying to get it much better.
> Simply spinning your wheels there. The reality is: the machine, PLUS good
> Aural Skills will help you to be a good, consistant tuner that puts out a
> MUSICAL tuning, almost every time! That's the bottom line.
> All this B.S. about "Stretch" and "Wow" tunings from the Aural Crowd and
> the "Perfect" "whatever" from the ETD crowd is just a whole lot of B.S.
> Bluster, imo. There are damned few techs that really have a right to lord
> over you, their way of doing it. Those are USUALLY the head instructors at
> the National! The George Defenbaugh/Jim Colemans of our organization are a
> couple of those. The rest, just want to make their own ego prevail. (Flack
> suit firmly zipped up! Along with a good set of ear plugs!<G>)
> IF anyone wishes to discuss different tuning philosophies and methods,
> that's the way we help each other to improve our skills. That's what it's
> all about. However, anything more/less than that is just B.S. imo.<G>  BTW,
> if you have 10 tuners in a room, you will get, at least,...20 different
> opinions. Especially, when it comes to tunings.<G>
> That's my take on it.
> Joe
>
>
> Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
> Captain of the Tool Police
> Squares R I
>
>


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