Oh, yeah, almost forgot - therefore - there is NO need for the aural tuning test ! Unless, like other persons have noted, they CHANGE it for technique, stability, accuracy, unisons, etc ! On 05/26/2012 12:26 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote: > Joe, > > I can't believe - you are - starting this crap again. > > Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, there are more ETD users, without aural training, than ever, and it's only > growing more and more every year and aural tuners are going to become less and less every year. > > And has been proven over and over and over and over and over, ETD tunings are well enough to provide every tuning from > the home to universities to symphonies, music studios and more. > > AND, to add injury to insult, the SMARTER the ETD's get, the LESS and LESS is needed for aural tuning skills. > > My take on this seemingly never ending argument............ > > Duaine > > On 05/25/2012 11:49 PM, Joseph Garrett wrote: >> Duaine said: >> "Well, IMHO, at least Cybertuner does. Because before you start tuning, you >> sample all the A's, which no only tells how >> far off the tuning is, but also registers the inharmonicity, etc. Plus >> allows - 9 - standard settings for stretch as >> well as allowing for custom settings. Plus, also, allows for setting to >> listening to certain partials." >> >> And if you think I swallow that, I've got some good bottom land for you. >> That assumes that that takes in the whole gammit of every kind of >> inharmonicity....Which it does not! I get real tired of listening to >> supposed techs that think that Aural is the only way and/or The Machine is >> the absolute way! Sheesh! If you do not know how to tune, at a reasonable >> level, Aurally, then the machine is going to take you down the dumb path of >> trying to convince you that it's "formulae" is the BEST way to tune a >> piano. It just ain't so! I passed my RPT exam, Aurally. I use an ETD. It is >> a tool,....nothing more/nothing less! It helps me to be very close. >> However, it does NOT make a piano MUSICAL! Yes, it can make a spinet as >> good as it can be. (Don't waste your TIME trying to get it much better. >> Simply spinning your wheels there. The reality is: the machine, PLUS good >> Aural Skills will help you to be a good, consistant tuner that puts out a >> MUSICAL tuning, almost every time! That's the bottom line. >> All this B.S. about "Stretch" and "Wow" tunings from the Aural Crowd and >> the "Perfect" "whatever" from the ETD crowd is just a whole lot of B.S. >> Bluster, imo. There are damned few techs that really have a right to lord >> over you, their way of doing it. Those are USUALLY the head instructors at >> the National! The George Defenbaugh/Jim Colemans of our organization are a >> couple of those. The rest, just want to make their own ego prevail. (Flack >> suit firmly zipped up! Along with a good set of ear plugs!<G>) >> IF anyone wishes to discuss different tuning philosophies and methods, >> that's the way we help each other to improve our skills. That's what it's >> all about. However, anything more/less than that is just B.S. imo.<G> BTW, >> if you have 10 tuners in a room, you will get, at least,...20 different >> opinions. Especially, when it comes to tunings.<G> >> That's my take on it. >> Joe >> >> >> Joe Garrett, R.P.T. >> Captain of the Tool Police >> Squares R I >> >> > > -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years
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